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Edited by dazarobbo:
6/11/2014 1:09:41 PM
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My experience with the Alpha (200 images)
I was fortunate enough to be given early access to the Alpha version of Destiny (thanks, Bungie!), so for around the past week, that's what I've been playing (obviously). Some of what I explain you may already know, but without further delay, let's get into it. Most of this will be screenshots, by the way.
Edit: since some people have asked, [url=https://imgur.com/a/BVCRD]here's an imgur album[/url] with about 50 more images.
[quote]1. Starting Up
2. The Dark Within
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65325556&path=1]3. The Tower[/url]
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65325550&path=1]4. Free Roaming in Old Russia[/url]
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65325544&path=1]5. The Devils' Lair[/url]
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65325527&path=1]6. Other Settings[/url]
[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=65325522&path=1]7. Feedback and Comments[/url][/quote]
[b][u]1. Starting Up[/u][/b]
Some people have already asked this, so I figure it would be the first thing to address: [url=https://i.imgur.com/EHePCUl.jpg]the Alpha is 6.7GB[/url]. After you've got it, the first thing to do is create your Guardian, and to begin with you get the option to choose whether you want to be a [url=https://i.imgur.com/efzbdUV.jpg]Titan[/url], [url=https://i.imgur.com/GrIiIiW.jpg]Hunter[/url], or [url=https://i.imgur.com/xz5hVNs.jpg]Warlock[/url]. Next you get to customise your [url=https://i.imgur.com/pN3tmDa.jpg]appearance[/url]. When you're [url=https://i.imgur.com/b6davFj.jpg]done[/url], you get [url=https://i.imgur.com/MHFUfPo.jpg]dropped into "The Steppes"[/url], which appears to be a smaller region of Old Russia, and onto your first mission, "The Dark Within".
[b][u]2. The Dark Within[/u][/b]
Normally you'd start off with some more "basic" weapons, but since I'm using the character I've been using for a while, I have some more... upgraded stuff. Anyway, you get dropped in and [url=https://i.imgur.com/Fvb5eNL.jpg]this is[/url] the [url=https://i.imgur.com/c7BdBhp.jpg]first thing[/url] you see. [url=https://i.imgur.com/Irq4mgK.jpg]Pull out your Ghost[/url] and you'e in nav mode to see your current objective. There are also these [url=https://i.imgur.com/TLOAvLm.jpg]"Spinmetal Leaves"[/url] scattered around Old Russia too, which you can pick up. More about these later. Off we go.
First couple of enemies: [url=https://i.imgur.com/VqErLJz.jpg]A Fallen Vandal and Shard[/url]. One of them [url=https://i.imgur.com/3LZ3SdW.jpg]lost their head[/url]. Moving on, [url=https://i.imgur.com/5WrZKoK.jpg]here's a cave[/url] where more came out from. You might be wondering why there's a prompt on the right: that's for a fallen Guardian waiting to be revived. [url=https://i.imgur.com/zo1roOK.jpg]This is the building[/url] we're going to, and [url=https://i.imgur.com/PkAbK1Z.jpg]it's faster by Sparrow[/url].
I found [url=https://i.imgur.com/JlH764k.jpg]a nice elevated spot[/url] to take out some more Fallen with my Sniper rifle. [url=https://i.imgur.com/knomxic.jpg]They never saw it coming[/url]. [url=https://i.imgur.com/73qAZkW.jpg]Neither did he[/url].
More [url=https://i.imgur.com/f6hrAjP.jpg]Fallen amongst the graveyard[/url], along with a [url=https://i.imgur.com/qo4FzFN.jpg]Vandal[/url], and a [url=https://i.imgur.com/lFGx0uh.jpg]camouflaged one[/url] (you can just see the refracting light above the dot).
Here's [url=https://i.imgur.com/VUD4W5z.jpg]another cave[/url] with Fallen (see the radar?). Luckily my Hunter can double-jump, so I made it over there fairly easily. And [url=https://i.imgur.com/CMOtN4e.jpg]here comes the sun[/url] (do do do do).
A Guardian I came across was [url=https://i.imgur.com/ApjDqZF.jpg]being attacked from behind[/url], but I may have let that happen just so I could take the picture. I [url=https://i.imgur.com/1dSlC7W.jpg]waved hello[/url] all the same [url=https://i.imgur.com/Vcd79FH.jpg]just before meeting another[/url] we came across.
We both went after the [url=https://i.imgur.com/5gfcdBR.jpg]enemies coming out of the cave[/url], but only I ventured inside where I [url=https://i.imgur.com/cvdMs5w.jpg]found this guy[/url]. Keep in mind I'm a level 8 because that's what the Alpha capped us all at but nonetheless, [url=https://i.imgur.com/wbWtpFk.jpg]he was no match[/url] (though he is when you're just starting out).
Made my way [url=https://i.imgur.com/Hg980Fq.jpg]up to the building[/url] where a couple more Vandals and a Captain were waiting for me. Again, no match. We get notifications along the bottom for events too, so as you can [url=https://i.imgur.com/Ct2sj6F.jpg]see[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/Bqmi3k1.jpg]here[/url], I've attained a new card for a new rank (along with some Glimmer and experience on the side) and weapon.
In we go and it's [url=https://i.imgur.com/0Y19LiK.jpg]getting kind[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/fucbIsp.jpg]of spooky[/url] (the purple flaring you can around the sides of the screen in the first image, I believe, occurs whenever you/your fireteam are deliberately separated from the rest of the players in the area by the game). My Ghost [url=https://i.imgur.com/i8q79fm.jpg]opens up[/url] the locked door after a prompt ([url=https://i.imgur.com/n3yK7Z2.jpg]translation please[/url]?) and we're given some [url=https://i.imgur.com/jdqW1tC.jpg]shiny green crystals[/url] to look at.
[url=https://i.imgur.com/BZ0HTIf.jpg]Even spookier now[/url]. The really unexpected thing here with the Ghost's light turning on was that the PS4 controller's lightbar also turned to bright white as well.
Now we meet [url=https://i.imgur.com/6K4RU3m.jpg]"The Hive"[/url]. [url=https://i.imgur.com/jNzrc8s.jpg]These guys[/url] like to chase after and scratch you up, but you can [url=https://i.imgur.com/FHm9Wd5.jpg]get rid of them[/url] easily if you can spot and react to them quick enough. The Acolytes [url=https://i.imgur.com/D01YO7q.jpg]prefer to shoot you[/url] instead though.
In a bit further and we have to [url=https://i.imgur.com/zuW71zF.jpg]take down a Wizard[/url] and [url=https://i.imgur.com/RrgDaV5.jpg]friends[/url]. Unfortunately it is capable of [url=https://i.imgur.com/73lEKJD.jpg]poisoning you[/url], which kind of messes up your vision a bit, makes you walk slower, and jumping is a bit tougher. Nevermind, I [url=https://i.imgur.com/B3AI5H7.jpg]bought the right tool[/url] for the job. [url=https://i.imgur.com/cSw5pSc.jpg]And...[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/wNQftl4.jpg]freebies[/url]. An [url=https://i.imgur.com/tTNum5J.jpg]Encrypted Engram[/url] which I'll decrypt later.
The mission is over now, but you can still run around the pick things up while the timer counts down. I already picked it up on a previous day, but back up on the ledge is a box containing loot (more pictures of these later).
When the time's up we get some post game [url=https://i.imgur.com/5BlwuGV.jpg]rewards[/url] (I'm already maxed out for the Alpha, so that's why I didn't get any XP). Then we get a screen telling us about any [url=https://i.imgur.com/eV5Ob2t.jpg]upgrades and bounty progression[/url]. I have two of the latter active which I purchased. The green bar shows the progress. [url=https://i.imgur.com/9qtkISg.jpg]And of course the kills, deaths, etc...[/url]
[url=https://i.imgur.com/nMli5BD.jpg]Now we're in orbit![/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTiw18pQJlM]To see all of the above as a video in less than six minutes, click here[/url] (I basically ran through it all).
[b][u]Orbit[/u][/b]
This is kind of like a main menu for choosing what you want to do - where you want to go to. In the Alpha, we have the [url=https://i.imgur.com/KRjsgEx.jpg]option of going to the Tower, Earth, and the Crucible[/url].
[url=https://i.imgur.com/KmbqiB4.jpg]Here's a map for Earth[/url]. The orange circle is the mission I just went through. The green octagon takes you to the same area as before, but allows you to freely explore Old Russia (most of it anyway, as far as I can tell). Last is the blue hexagon which is The Devils' Lair Strike mission.
Going back, [url=https://i.imgur.com/dLHgj4V.jpg]here's what's in the Crucible[/url]. Only the first option, Control, is [url=https://i.imgur.com/PESJYrG.jpg]available[/url]. The symbol down the bottom shows your [url=https://i.imgur.com/v8sHM5l.jpg]Crucible Marks[/url].
We'll jump back again and go [url=https://i.imgur.com/m8L9P98.jpg]visit the Tower[/url] first.
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Nice images m9
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2 Replies[u][b]6. Other Settings[/b][/u] [url=https://i.imgur.com/WVsxbIB.jpg]Main settings page[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/SUskR1u.jpg]Log out[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/TorT62X.jpg]Brightness[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/HF0rT0u.jpg]Screen bounds[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/Nl1A1O5.jpg]Voice output[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/UGGkZFO.jpg]Default button layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/9evI9zi.jpg]Green Thumb layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/12EXZAz.jpg]Cold Shoulder layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/Ca7zeEr.jpg]Mirror layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/M4hbM45.jpg]Jumper layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/JGG9Inb.jpg]Puppeteer layout[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/j3nBMTp.jpg]Default movement controls[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/wsUmY5V.jpg]Southpaw movement controls[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/4XyHEVq.jpg]Legacy movement controls[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/RYMmu3i.jpg]Legacy Southpaw controls[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/pWTyJgC.jpg]Subtitle options[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/z6tTsw1.jpg]The Roster[/url]. Under "Game" it shows all the people in the area, which makes it really easy to invite someone to your fireteam. [url=https://i.imgur.com/UCdpBQt.jpg]What happens when you need to log in. There is probably a limit to the number of characters you can have, but it looks like it's at least three.[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/AChA4l7.jpg]Your inventory, mid-game[/url].
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15 Replies[b][u]7. Feedback and Comments[/u][/b] [b][u]What I like[/u][/b] - Shadows look [i]fantastic[/i]. - Still being able to modify and look over my character while matchmaking (searching). - The notifications along the bottom of the screen. - The revival system. - Item customisation. - Being able to continually play a portion of the game, but with added dynamicism (ie. side missions). - Reward and purchase system for items. - Character customisation, and not just in terms of the character itself, but the ship, Sparrow, and emblem that everyone can see. [b][u]What I like less[/u][/b] - The cursor you have to use to select items on the screen is slow and clunky. I'd really prefer to just have options which get focus when I move the dpad or thumbstick on the controller. - Some of the UI prompts, particularly some of the "hold [button] to..." are too long, such as when you need to go back to orbit or exiting the post game stats. - Running around as a Hunter, the Golden Gun doesn't really seem to do all that much damage. Using it against Speiks Prime, for example does less damage than a Sniper round (even when hitting it dead centre). A lot of the time I haven't really bothered using it because it's not really that useful compared to the weapons I've already got. Usually the only time I do is when I'm just about out of ammo. - I understand it's a living, dynamic world you play in, but I really miss being able to just pause the game (when not in an exclusive multiplayer mode) to step out for a couple of minutes. I've had to try to find a "safe hiding spot" and just hope I haven't died by the time I'm off the phone. The only solution I see is to go back to orbit, but that means I'm abandoning whatever mission I'm currently on. - It's somewhat frustrating to have cleared a small zone where a group of enemies are, then [i]very[/i] soon after backtrack to the same location only to find more enemies there so soon. It's kind of monotonous while roaming and sometimes I just jump on the Sparrow and skip everything. - Needing to use the Ghost to find beacons. Why can't they just show up whenever I'm not currently on a mission? - Ammo pickups are hard to find. That's not to say they're rare though. The quantity of them is great, but actually spotting them among the terrain can be hard sometimes, especially the white ones. I would prefer they were a little bigger I think. - Pathfinding is pretty rigid between waypoints. Fairly often while moving between different areas, such as when getting close to an adjacent one, the current waypoint doesn't adapt to the next area smoothly, so you end up with magnet and compass needle type effect with the directional arrow. - Some of the overlays that popup describing an item while the cursor is over it end up blocking other information. For example, in the class upgrades screen where the Armor, Recovery, and Agility bars are shown, if I put the cursor over an item just underneath them, the popup blocks those bars and I can't see what has changed. - Some of what's in the game is difficult to decipher. Now, maybe that's because there's a bit of context lost because it's not from "the beginning" of the game, for example. What I did and still do have an issue with is trying to figure out all the different item details. My machine guns says it does solar damage, for example. I really have no idea what that means. - I only played one game in the Crucible which was a Control match (think Territories in Halo), but I didn't really enjoy it. It seems like you'll be killed by any grenade thrown near you, which means you don't really have a chance to get away from them. People are always jumping everywhere and hitting them is like trying to shoot fly in mid air. Sorry, but not a fan of it, which is OK because I don't particularly like competitive multiplayer anyway, so feel free to ignore this completely. To answer a question some people have though, your weapons are all equal to everyone else's (because of a setting which explicitly says it). [b][u]General Comments[/u][/b] - [b][u]I was not able to play the Alpha using my Australian PSN account[/u][/b], hence the reason you can see the gibberish account name I'm using at the moment which is set to another region. Whether this will still be a problem in the future, I don't know (I still can't use it). - At first I wasn't convinced. It seemed kind of "arcade-y" for some reason, especially when attacking enemies, but I warmed up to it pretty quickly. - Being in Australia, I half-expected some issues with the network, but to my surprise there was very little. I thought this was pretty surprising considering I was mostly playing with people in the US. Good work! - I think I may be somewhat addicted to it now.
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Brilliant post! Thank you man! XBone players are in your debt!
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[b]Network issues.[/b] A huge issue I dislike is I can't play the alpha this morning due to network issues. Does the game not have an offline option? I know it's meant to be played with people, but should that really be a [u]LIMIT[/u] rather than an advantage? I love being able to do Brave and Legendary status, but again, I'm limited to depending on others to enjoy playing experience. I'll tell you this much, the [b]only[/b] reason I hate MMOs is because I can't enjoy the game without other people getting in my face. Sometimes I love playing with strangers with friends, but most of the time I want to enjoy a game without them. Again, love this game, i want to see this game literally be the next HUGE thing... but serving all your gamers is something bungie loves, especially at this massive scale. The game needs to at least have normal mode single player or not network dependent. I can't even log into my world. Thanks bungie, you guys are fricken amazing :D
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1 ReplyLike this post if you like bacon
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1 ReplyI may have overlooked this but how did obtain all these images? Is there a theater mode and also a place to download them here on the site? If this is true then I'm excite.
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1 ReplySo far what I'm not a fan of, is that in the character creator, there was no way to rotate my character to get a good view of what hairstyle I chose. Now I'm stuck with a semi-bowlcut and there's no way to go back and change your character's appearance. So rotation in character creation and a way to go back and change your appearance would be greatly appreciated.
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All the screenshots look like Borderlands without the outlines, and I've had enough of Borderlands.
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1 ReplyDoes anyone know what the grimoire cards are/do?
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1 ReplyHow did you redeem the alpha code they gave you ?
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1 ReplyHow was weapon handling? From what I saw at E3 it seemed like Borderlands with a lot of hard to control recoil making most weapon useless at long range. Borderlands suffered from every weapon being for either close or extreme ranges.
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1 ReplyI'm assuming this is where we are to give our feedback on the alpha?
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First thank you for all you have posted second can anyone tell me if alpha progress transfers to the beta or will we restart?
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What were the controls
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Wow bro good job. Report as much bugs you can
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Thanks a zillion mate, the size of the alpha shouldnt be too different to the beta i hope, and ive been lookin for this info for AGES. Thanks
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Edited by jasonisdaspartan: 6/12/2014 3:53:00 AMThis is all awesome, thanks for taking the time. I feel like the multiplayer not looking that great is a result of it being the first time for a lot of the players, most shooters have like a 2 week period when it comes out and it's kind've a shit show cuz people don't know what guns they like using or what works best, as well as everyone is getting use to the mechanics, I feel as time goes on an people are using things that they are used to it will look more fluid. Also enemy spawning in mmo's like wow are always being adjusted, if bungie is going to update the game constantly i feel like it might get adjustments as time goes on.
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16 Replies[url=https://i.imgur.com/o05tD0y.jpg][b][u]3. The Tower[/u][/b][/url] First, the map, which our [url=https://i.imgur.com/paEIkrs.jpg]robot friend[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/8L6vr5g.jpg]lets us see[/url]. We'll [url=https://i.imgur.com/ewlAu9s.jpg]head to[/url] the [url=https://i.imgur.com/U7JSeGH.jpg]Cryptarch first[/url] since it looks like I have some [url=https://i.imgur.com/eAE5yu7.jpg]Engrams to decrypt[/url] from before. Now seems like a good time to go through the [url=https://i.imgur.com/r7iWpuS.jpg]character settings[/url]. So far [url=https://i.imgur.com/KAc3QLP.jpg]this is what my Hunter have available[/url]. At the moment I can actually choose if I want to use incendiary or swarm grenades, but I like the latter. The next unlock is a tripmine grenade. Also, notice the shiny items? They're all the new things I have which I haven't checked out yet. It's really handy. By the way, you might be wondering how you go about getting rid of items. Except for the vault, you can discard things, which give you a little reward: things like weapon parts which, I think, are required for further/different weapon upgrades. This is also from where you can jump in to your item details and upgrades, like [url=https://i.imgur.com/zH9yVKG.jpg]this one for my Machine Gun[/url]. I still have two more unlocks, but not sure if I'll change from the one I'm already using. If you hit the down button (on the screen) you get taken to [url=https://i.imgur.com/0kp0Oxc.jpg]your equipment[/url] which lists your Ghost; "Vehicle" (it doesn't say Sparrow); Ship; Shaders; and emblems. With the exception of Shaders which appears to be locked, all of these have nine additional spaces each. In your [url=https://i.imgur.com/myXxVOb.jpg]inventory[/url], you get to see the materials you've currently collected, consumables, missions, and bounties. It's not there now but I previously had a lot more Spinmetal. So much so that one slot had been taken up holding 50 while another was being filled. Regardless, "[url=https://i.imgur.com/ua603HQ.jpg]Ether Seeds[/url]" was the other interesting thing here. You can also use this page to abandon any bounties you currently have. Back to the Tower. The [url=https://i.imgur.com/7bc6Lg1.jpg]Postmaster[/url] is like your mailbox. Originally I had a message in here thanking for me helping test the Alpha, but it disappeared after I selected it. Occasionally you will also get messages about "lost items" which you can freely claim. There is a "[url=https://i.imgur.com/6jpitNr.jpg]Special Orders[/url]" station, but I haven't seen anything in here yet. It's probably for the story-related missions. Oh, and [url=https://i.imgur.com/Vu3pu6E.jpg]these are the vaults[/url]. [url=https://i.imgur.com/vHcsnl4.jpg]You have 20 slots[/url] to place armor, weapons, and general items. There is the [url=https://i.imgur.com/L14wNXX.jpg]Gunsmith[/url] which is where you can buy new weapons. While looking at one, you can compare it with the one you currently have equipped to see the difference. You can also pick up [url=https://i.imgur.com/QZRk2uA.jpg]ammo consumables[/url] too. Here's the [url=https://i.imgur.com/bSdMelK.jpg]bounty dealer[/url]. Here [url=https://i.imgur.com/3fOSITf.jpg]are[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/9IZdioX.jpg]the[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/ic8afOY.jpg]ones[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/eryR658.jpg]currently[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/zIZKxDT.jpg]for[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/fA8B66F.jpg]sale[/url]. I might get a couple. Down the stairs and [url=https://i.imgur.com/w1nrPOO.jpg]here are the Crucible Quartermaster and Crucible Handler[/url] on the left and right, respectively. The Quartermaster is currently selling [url=https://i.imgur.com/HFMdTl9.jpg]Sparrows[/url] and [url=https://i.imgur.com/aRGi26H.jpg]exchanging Spinmetal, Relic Iron, Helium Filaments, and Spirit Bloom[/url]. The last one is found on Venus. The Handler is [url=https://i.imgur.com/tKhAnQV.jpg]selling armor[/url]. Further on and we're in the [url=https://i.imgur.com/VXmYIo3.jpg]Hall of the Guardians[/url]. [url=https://i.imgur.com/waPDmJu.jpg]Ikora[/url] is selling armor and emblems, all of which require you to be a Warlock. [url=https://i.imgur.com/NrbS7AY.jpg]Cayde-6[/url] is selling Hunter armor and emblems, and Vanguard armor too (which doesn't require you to be a Hunter). Finally, Zavala is selling Titan armor and emblems. [url=https://i.imgur.com/ZJtuhui.jpg]Time to take in the view[/url]. There's a bird flying around, a ship, and the clouds in the background are also moving too. Now we're off to the [url=https://i.imgur.com/IHLmsne.jpg]Hangar[/url] where we find the [url=https://i.imgur.com/nR4ph0V.jpg]Vanguard Quartermaster[/url], selling items similar to the Crucible Quartermaster. Here's [url=https://i.imgur.com/l4auIOV.jpg]Arach Jalaal[/url], the leader/representative(?) of Dead Orbit. I'm almost certain he is voiced by Peter Stormare. There's also the [url=https://i.imgur.com/8xwdTe6.jpg]Shipright[/url], Amanda Holliday, who seems to like [url=https://i.imgur.com/MmVx3wf.jpg]wearing parachute pants[/url], and can sell you new Sparrows and ships. Next we have Lakshmi-2, the leader of Future War Cult. I've definitely heard her voice before, but not sure of her name (she's a film actress who has a raspy voice with an accent). Off to the north part of the tower now. There's [url=https://i.imgur.com/nMiGVLC.jpg]Executor Hideo[/url], the leader of New Monarchy, the [url=https://i.imgur.com/yhPBTc5.jpg]Guardian Outfitter[/url], where you can buy new emblems and shaders (which is where I got my current emblem from), [url=https://i.imgur.com/6HqXhnJ.jpg]this machine[/url] that spins around a hologram of what looks to be the Traveller, and [url=https://i.imgur.com/rH0ehhK.jpg]The Speaker[/url]. To wrap up The Tower, here's the [url=https://i.imgur.com/y9BH7mg.jpg]view from the ledge[/url] [url=https://i.imgur.com/l2p9Mos.jpg]...and a ball to play with[/url].
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2 RepliesGod, I hate how I have to click the link and then confirm to visit the clicked link. Thanks for the pictures though.
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4 Replies1) Thanks 2) Is it ok for you to be posting this? Doesn't this fall under leaked content? 3) HAH! I told you -blam!-s That's the full map of earth Not just a section Especially you, "Warlock" Trying to call me a dumbass for thinking it's the full map of earth
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1 ReplyQuestion: What is the Resolution and Fps for Destiny on Ps4?
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1 ReplyCan you tell me how bounties work? Is there a specific target you have to kill or is it just to clear a general area?
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So jelly.
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1 ReplyWhat about the name of the guardians? Can you repeat a name in use?
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13 Replies[quote]I was fortunate enough to be given early access to the Alpha version of Destiny (thanks, Bungie!),[/quote]What ... no thanks to Sony ... thought it was Sony that paid that little bill ?!? ([i]btw: nice way to rub salt into that open wound - high five[/i]) [quote]the Alpha is 6.7GB[/quote]Thought it would have been bigger (sure you have heard that before) -given the recent Saints Row free game was about that size. How about given an answer to the question as to [b]when the xbox beta will be released[/b]. Far better for everyone to live the experience than have it fed to them second hand.
