We agree. What we want to do is install a system that rewards people for deeds and actions that represent a positive influence on the community. You should select your symbols, blah, blah, etc. Previously, they were selected by an algorithm that identified people who posted a lot, but didn't get banned. Can we aspire to loftier heights than hanging out and not getting into trouble?
Let's shift this conversation away from what we're not getting (yet), and talk in vague and general terms about what sort of person you think should be an illuminated pillar of this community.
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I guess the system you implemented was the mentors. They are cool people, but not what I think the Progo had in mind.
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Maybe utilize the Like system?
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There is a like system
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There is a like button but it doesnt do or amount to anything.
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It will bump posts or add a thread to trending, other than that yes it does nothing. What do you want it to do exactly?
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Oh thats right. lol I forgot. I was talking about using this to benefit a "user reputation" thing tho.
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Well yeah, there is no reputation system.
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I feel like this crosses with another topic that's been going around about alts and oppositely negative community members. There doesn't seem to be a good way to tie people down to their mains. I thought to impose a form of investment that was singular and near impossible to duplicate. That way alt creation becomes impossible, and the banhammer can be effective again. Approaching it from this side, though, in a sort of reward system, alt creation then becomes costly to the end user. Getting banned then has weight. One might also take into account that, psychologically, positive reinforcement almost always motivates people more than negative which often has the opposite effect. The community is of a size and average age group now that I believe it would be responsive to such measures. Recognition is something younger people especially aspire to. I remember myself being a B.net try hard at one time. The desire is there. I also like what I'm reading about setting examples. For people that don't necessarily understand what forums are good for or how they should be used, they'll be able to look at ninjas and mythics (whatever we'll end up calling them) and aspire to have their words carry that weight and recognition that comes with having the blue bar. What's more powerful here is that leadership and guidance, the example being set, the titles themselves are otherwise trivial in my opinion. Because people don't necessarily know what good productive forum-going looks like they need something more superficial (I don't mean that as "shallow") and immediate to indicate that to them. Ideally by the time someone has acquired mythix they will understand as well as the rest of us what it's all about. By that point the interest a person has in using these forums will have shifted from acquiring that title to actually just enjoying the interaction and discussion and shared fandom. Somehow we have to determine, we have to quantify, what that shining example of community looks like. We don't want it to be a race of elitism or conquest. If the distance between a fresh account and a recognized member is too short, the forums will become a game, and not only that they would become a game to be manipulated and won at any cost. The system and its facets would have to be unknown to us to preserve its integrity and continued effectiveness. The problem quantifying such qualities from an automated standpoint is that good users come in all forms, and they don't necessarily have to be old accounts either. [spoiler]stumped_face.png[/spoiler] I myself seem to be more interested in the how than the what, because I believe that a person, as opposed to a machine, can recognize that user when they see them whether they fully understand the example being set or not. There is a human element here. There's a maturity that comes with being "that" forum-goer. From another angle what if mythix wasn't attainable by everyone? What if that recognition wasn't so much earned as it was awarded? A person would have to be recognized and have formed those connections in the community. Whether staff or ninja to make that determination you could have something like a "user of the month" that could even have a short Q&A in the news or somewhere else dedicated to that. The user would not only have the spotlight for a brief moment, but also get to hold onto a title or color bar or anything of that nature for having been featured. You could also have trinkets or medals for different sorts of participation, like when we have official submission type contests. At any rate let there be many ways to garner recognition, and people will aspire to be like those that came before them. People will also aspire to stand apart and be that "snowflake" if there isn't just one road or one definition of "valuable". Diversify the recognition. I don't think any one of us can really say what the ideal community member looks like, but I think number of followers is at least one good variable to gauge that value. Unless it can somehow be automated, I don't think we can get around it being handpicked. Good members simply emerge, defining them is a whole different ball game.
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Somebody with something more than just a loud mouth and a sharp tongue. If we set the sights too high, we wouldn't reward enough people and the community awarded roles would become trivialized. I really liked the system before where you had prefixes that augmented the base titles. Flesh that system out to have titles that reflect the users ability to keep their nose clean, use their social muscle to contribute, and perform well in game.
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Edited by Der Todesengel: 2/23/2014 7:27:13 PM[quote]Can we aspire to loftier heights than hanging out and not getting into trouble?[/quote] Sure, but those of us who have been "hanging out and not getting into trouble" would still like some recognition. - Der
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I'm with you.
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I hate that this shithead thinks he's too cool to respond to anyone who replies to him.
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Ha. So I am going to bite my tongue and avoid critiquing your attitude. Take a look at how many replies he receives and just look at how many of them are useless or needy. It is not his job to run around to each kid's post and give replies. Mind your business and watch your mouth.
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Personally, I think that it should be based on two things. One, special achievements that have been met with in the game. People should always be recognized for incredible feats. Second, for participation in Bungie/Community event. Weather it's a caption contest, or screenshot submission. People who are selected as a finalist or winner should be recognized. I just don't want it to be determined solely by a popularity contests. The one thing I detested about bungie.old was the elitism.
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A man (or woman) would embodies the perfect mix of polite sass, positive thinking, rapier wit, and gamer magnanimity that not only encourages others to add to this communally awesome cluster-Blam!- we call [b]B.net[/b], but is willing and able to create and inspire themselves. In a perfect world...
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I think people are a but more upset about what we had that was taken away more than what we want. At least us older members.
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Someone deserving of something of this matter is someone who helps others, isn't rude, is nice, educated on a level of humanity to not be hostile in every situation they are in. Someone who stands out. Someone who doesn't get on here to troll but move this community in the right way. I, myself, find it that I don't think I deserve a reward. But I agree with OP, titles are needed, special titles, however are different. This is a system that needs catered thought but is definitely needed to shut some rude people up. Someone deserving of this is someone who is basically going to take stands for what is right, being a leader, not a follower. Individualism is beautiful. Someone who has respect of this community, responsible for what he/she has done, to achieve and make goal for the better of this community. There is so much I would like to say about this but the point needed is just to long of an endless list.
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Well said sir.
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Thank you, good sir! T'was an honor to type. xD
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Thank you for that response, Deej.
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Selecting pillars of the community is difficult because members come in all shapes and sizes. Some post little, but always share valuable insights and carry on good conversation. Others may not always be the most friendly, but add greatly to the forum in other ways (elmicker comes to mind). I think if you're going to recognize one type of "quality" member, then you have to recognize all of them for what they bring to the community. I'm not saying this should be little league baseball and everyone should get a prize. Recognition should mean something after all, but it would be nice to see some variety in the system.
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This is all very true. But this community can survive without the very unfriendly ones. It isn't needed. Things can be discussed without immaturity.
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[quote] members come in all shapes and sizes. [/quote] You're definitely talking about penises
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Edited by Hatima: 1/4/2014 6:49:30 PMAgreed. DeeJ, speaketh (in this case, typeth) great wisdom.
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DeeJ barely spoke, but yes wisdom, it was. He left us with a thought to contemplate on. He also had a great choice of words and wasn't at all simple. It has hidden meanings written forwards and backwards. I agree with you.