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Edited by burritosenior: 11/15/2013 4:57:22 PM
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You will note that very, VERY few people are upset whatsoever at the prospect of future Destiny games not being on the Xbox 360 or PS3. Therefore the 'Mac users are the true fans that were abandoned, not you,' argument is asinine at best. People aren't upset at the progress of the game. If Bungie were developing only for the PS4 because it had superior hardware to the other consoles, then that would be a valid reason to prefer Playstation users. Yet instead, they are developing for them all. And while they develop for them all, they are shoving half of those users (although currently much more than half due to the 12 years of loyalty issue arising again) that they are less important that the new people coming in. You will note, valiant reader making it this far into the post, that these points tie in quite nicely with the beginning of these posts. You see, earlier I mentioned how Xbox users welcomed Playstation users into the community. Sharing is good, and the more people the merrier. Everybody should be able to enjoy these titles. The Bungie community did not ask for half its community to get something, before this. The Bungie community wanted everybody to get the whole experience. We were coming together. It was really a magnificent thing to behold. Yet now there are people proclaiming that Bungie is giving these exclusives because they need to get Sony folks to come into the community. To this I say… no. If the loyal Bungie community didn’t need exclusive content to become what we are, why do new people? Are the Playstation users of such low moral character that they won’t get involved in a game or community unless they get something that other people do not? I don’t think so. Advertise to Playstation users that they will get cool content for coming to Bungie.net, or by doing things with the game or their preorder. But the key factor here is… this doesn’t have to exclude the Xbox users. No, the Xbox users could get all these same things and Playstation users would still be attracted. So it isn’t why this is happening, unless one truly believes those buying PS4’s are actually terrible people- which I don’t think any rational person would believe. No. What this comes down to… is console purchasing. This is all happening because Sony wants people to buy their console. Microsoft does the same thing and it isn’t any better when they do it, true, but we’re talking of Bungie here so for now that is irrelevant. Sony is getting exclusives so people will have an incentive to purchase Playstation consoles rather than Xboxs. Is that necessarily a bad thing for Sony? No… but Bungie community here’s something I propose to you: Have you thought of what this means for Bungie? Think about it. If we have concluded that the exclusives are not simply for attracting fans from Sony, and we accept the hypothesis that this is due to console selling, then what exactly is Bungie focusing on by giving these things to Sony? Money. Money and publicity. That’s right. For a company that has had community focus as their prime directive for nearly a decade now, Bungie is showing that they are abandoning these principles in favor of publicity and funding. They are forsaking their community for these reasons, and have therefore left all of those that had faith in them in the dust. No matter your time spent believing in them, and no matter your loyalty in the past, you are being forgotten about. And this doesn’t just go for Xbox users, but Playstation users as well. These people should realize that they aren’t the focus either. It isn’t about them, but the console. Because Bungie is abandoning their community-centric approach… no, HAS abandoned it, we have little left to believe in. When Bungie.net was changed to this format, we were told it was easier for Bungie to sift through information and posts. Most people still dislike the format, and it limits conversations. This potentially shows how Bungie is focusing on themselves rather than the community- making it so they see what they want to see. Throughout the massive complaints, such as the ‘why PS4 users instead of XBone users,’ Bungie has ignored the posts. Loyalty is worth little now, and dedication has turned to ash. You can insult me, attack me, whatever. Have at me, community and Bungie. But I wrote this post not because I hate Bungie. I wrote this post with a soreness in my throat and tears welling up in my eyes because of how important Bungie and this community is to me. And I mean that absolutely- this community has been one of the most important and influential things in my life. This trend Bungie is on right now… it cannot continue. This is a horrible thing that is happening. We need it to stop. Please, Bungie. Don't have Peter Parsons on stage with a smile on his face while you forsake the people that care this much about you as a company and, to an extent, as individuals.
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  • thank you!

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  • You make your own post an answer to your first post? Lol. you have some sort of complex.

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  • [quote]You make your own post an answer to your first post? Lol. you have some sort of complex.[/quote]That's the only method of ensuring two posts appear at the top of the thread. The first post wasn't actually a question, if you didn't notice.

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  • I kind of skipped over it. I assumed if you made your post a question, you were asking a question, and I didn't see a question at the end of your post.

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  • Edited by Jem 7DZ: 7/10/2014 8:38:34 PM
    Agreed. :-)

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  • I am truly amazed at the passion that you have shown in your post, you have become unbalanced and out of touch with reality and you actually believe that Bungie needs to stop what they're doing every time you log into the forum and blow sunshine up your butt, so you can feel good about the Bungie Forum Community. I am sure without a doubt that Bungie is growing and maturing and you're acting like a little kid who got your heart broke, and wants the relationship the way it was. Time for you to start seeing other game developers. I will make it easy on you, 343 Industries, is making a new Halo, it's almost like your last relationship and you can keep your Xbox 360. Walk down to your local GameStop and preorder Halo5, and don't forget to register on 343's forum. Please don't be that pathetic stalker guy and just move on to a new relationship.

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  • This post XD

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  • Edited by Tnilc: 7/9/2014 8:10:12 PM
    I haven't been an active member of these forums for very long, I've never really been one to take them (forums in general) too seriously. They're generally full of toxic people with poisonous comments who are endlessly looking for an argument. I am however trying to join in when I can and would like to think I could be a constructive member of the community with time. I'm only putting this effort in because of Bnet's longevity and reputation that I was well aware of even as someone who doesn't normally partake in 'this sort of thing'. Now I must commend 'burritosenior' on this thread, it's well written, genuinely thought provoking and full of sincerity. That's undeniable. I am a fan of Bungie, I put my money down on this game (Destiny) well over a year ago as soon as it was clear Bungie was developing it. This blind loyalty was born out of countless hours and pounds poured in to the Halo series. My point is although I haven't been a member of this community for very long, my 'love' for Bungie and their creations is undeniable. Anyway, I'm rambling now. I am now a PS4 user and am benefitting from the Alpha, Beta etc and I won't deny it. I went for the PS4 because at the time I didn't like the multimedia aspect of the Xbox One and my 360 was on it's last legs. Now whilst I understand your woe, and I have said many times that in an ideal world we would all be getting the same deal, I really wish this was the case as all the disharmony is distracting (it is everywhere). I also think you have been really naive to believe and take for granted every 'promise' a company that takes your money for their product has made you as the gospel truth. You just can't, can you? I understand you are engrossed in this community and have experienced some enviable times over the years but at the end of the day you are a customer, and you will be treated as such. I would like to think we can agree to disagree and get along, 'cos I would like to point out that you are one of a few members on this forum whose posts I find informative and interesting and who isn't looking for an argument. A true pillar of the cummunity. Peace out!

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  • Thank you for being polite and detailed in the post- it is appreciated. Most replies in disagreement have been rather insulting, so it is nice to see a post like yours. I'd like to clarify something, though. [quote]My point is although I haven't been a member of this community for very long, my 'love' for Bungie and their creations is undeniable.[/quote]I in no way meant to imply that Playstation fans or even just newer fans were somehow 'lesser' or 'not as dedicated' as people like me that have been here for years. I understand that such an elitist stance does exist with some people, but it does not with me. My issue stems from community involvement. You say you love Destiny, and I have no reason to doubt that. I'm sure both of us will play the game very excitedly September 9th. My issue isn't that you are being treated equally- please don't think that. I sort of got at this in my first post, but we veterans were HAPPY that folks like yourself would be joining us! I think it is great new people are coming in that are just as excited for Destiny and just as into Bungie as we are. I love Bungie and love the fact that they are expanding as a company. But those of us that were here were, undeniably, invested prior to Destiny. And those that formed their relationships over the Xbox and have [i]stuck to[/i] that place have been ignored. If you really want to get to the heart of the matter, the content itself isn't even the issue. The issue is that Bungie has essentially been ignoring those users that stuck to their platform or origin- not even acknowledging the outcry (whether someone thinks it is valid to be upset or not, the fact that people are upset is in itself a problem, in my opinion!). And to folks that have been so invested in the company and the community, it's just a hard pill to swallow.

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  • You're right about that, I see a lot of users who have been here a while demand respect simply because of the time they have served here and talk down to newer users for no other reason than that.. Surely you earn respect through the way you conduct yourself? Anyway I must emphasise that I do understand where you are coming from. As I write this I realise that I haven't had the time on here that you have, my view is more objective probably because I am not as invested. Although, I myself would never put that much trust in to a company that takes my money for a service I am not inclined to judge you especially as we are not speaking from the same mutual experiences. I do also believe that Bungie must have their reasons for all this, and maybe someone from within should come out and at least try and explain the situation from their viewpoint. They should at least acknowledge the discontent all over the forums.

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  • Great post. I feel exactly the same way.

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  • You should drop a new rant with updated info. This would make for a great weekly podcast segment.

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  • Every single time I make a post about this though, I have to put up with dozens telling me that I'm childish/stupid/entitled, etc. It's something I've really got to think about before doing again, hah.

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  • I for one, mostly agree with you. Your posts are always very informative and reasonable.

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  • Well it should be on a different topic every time. I'm a gamer that plays on every device and think that if you can find a topic that tears down the walls of something with that kind of passion........well, you got somethin there brutha.

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  • I need to raise my necromancy skill to level 100. Bump. [spoiler]Level Up![/spoiler]

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  • Good job on this one.

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  • Holy crap, I think I just read a novel ;-) This was a well written, thoughtful post though, and I can understand your concerns. Hopefully Bungie does something to show their appreciation for the longtime fans. But like you said, the whole Destiny exclusives is all about selling consoles. And being as it's timed (so everyone still gets everything) I don't think they should just offer exclusive stuff on the xbox, because that doesn't really reward their fans, it's just more console selling tactics. And it's obvious by now that Sony bought the Destiny favoritism for the long term. I do think it would be nice if Bungie offered something, like the trading card codes that was exclusive to the long time b.net members. Something that could be used on any console. Because that's really the only way I see to truly show their appreciation to the fans without showing console bias. Who knows, maybe that's who the elusive Vanguards are ;-)

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  • The post is to damn long!

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  • You mean too, not to

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  • It's clearly not the 90's anymore. Don't worry we still love you Burrito.

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