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1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Edmi Wohusee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dmg04 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Harlow I don't think most of you people in the Septagon realize how much of a joke that forum is around the site. Not only in the Flood but in just about every single private community I can think of.[/quote] Sorry guys, Couldn't help it. Just doesn't feel right having been called "hostile" earlier in the thread when I was doing nothing of the sort, then remembering this PM that I received in October of 2012. Elite Mouse said it correctly; Harlow does not like the way he is treated outside of his private group. This thread is nothing but a self interest sort of thing, and it's rather silly. And harlow, one thing I have noticed; Any time I've noticed you in the flood, you've been being a total jerk to people who have attacked you. If you honestly believe that there is too much hostility in the flood, you can start by not replying to the people attacking you. Just because you're defending yourself doesn't mean the hostility [i]isn't[/i] hostile. And to relate this to the OP for all members to understand the point I'm trying to make; If you honestly have an issue with the amount of negativity in this forum, you can start fixing it through your own posts. Chorizo pointed out the golden tip of 'leading by example'. Do unto others... all that jazz. [u]This OP really does feel like a troll thread now.[/u][/quote] Yeah, that is why I never take many of the threads made by harlow/Jay seriously because they go and laugh at everyone posting in them in Sapphire. I think this shows that depending on how you present yourself what kind of reaction you should expect from people. All these threads made by them is meant to rile up people. [/quote] Oh, please. I have nothing against the mods. In fact, I've even helped them on certain occasions, like reporting the appearance of nudes of a certain member within a private group that one of them is the admin of before it could spread. I've never had any problems in my experience with the mods in my experience. But I know I have bent the rules before, and I got off easy, and that's my problem. People take things like "lolno" and "you're stupid" way too light heartily. They're detrimental to the community, provide no discussion, and ultimately can discourage active discussions. I don't consider this being a jerk, I consider it a nuisance. Things like these need to be cracked down upon, as there's no reason they should be allowed to flourish like this. You're making excuses for an easily fixed, but consistent problem. Harlow brings up perfectly valid points. It may be the internet, but that doesn't mean that rules within the site cannot be enforced. I haven't been here for very long, but I'm still a member of this community, and as a member of this community, I can share my opinion. I'm not mythic, or legendary. But I have just as much say as anyone here... not that we have any rights.[/quote] I had to check if you were from Sapphire, you are. Harlow's points are negative to the community and contradictory. I also know you guys probably have a thread in Sapphire right now to laugh at people's riled up responses and get people to support the OP. I think the community has gotten a lot better. The Flood is not under marshal law anymore. [Edited on 01.02.2013 7:12 PM PST]

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