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The halo array composed the forerunners.

[i]This is probably the most important theory to pop up after halo four. P\I had though this originally but JSA and Xzan came to the thought alone while talking with me. Thus i include their input and expand it as they did with mine.[/i] I'll start with response's JSA gave in response to my bornstellar Idea [quote] I do agree, in a way. The Librarian said that the Forerunners were on a quest for transendance. They were planning to use the Composer to bridge digital and organic realms. Though they did not quite understand and couldn't fully use the Composer and what it does. The memories they copied became corrupted. Returning to organic state produced abominations. This was long before the Didact used it for his army. Meaning the Forerunners had a lot of time to keep working on it, especially during increased use because of the Flood. The Composer became a last hope, those infected or injured would be composed and transfered to AIs, some containing all of their memories. Now in Halo 4 we see an AI like figure, the memories of the Librarian, perfectly intact. We see Prometheans, the memories used to create them showing no signs of decay, the Prometheans are still functioning optimally. But there is the Monitor, Spark and Penitant Tangent, possibly Abject Testament going corrupt and rampant. Spark from loneliness, Tangent appears to have succumbed to the Gravemind and ignored containment, and Abject seems to be allowing Humans to poke around the most powerful weapon in the galaxy with no intervention... he even let them take the Index, some protocol should be against that, I'd say. So it would seem that later memories and AIs are functioning much better than before. Chakas is doing quite well with his memories (besides the damages sustained over time). This could mean the Composer was finally able to store memories properly, the digital realm of the Composer working the way it was intended. If that was the case, there would be no harm in the last Forerunners composing themselves to watch the galaxy in digital state. And so I agree that the Composer could be use dlike that, and on Bornstellar too. But the time frame, not so much. The way you said it made it seem like Bornstellar was composed before activating the Array. If that was the case, and the Ur-Didact was on Requiem... that leave sno known Didact to activate the Array. But... I do think Bornstellar was composed. The Forerunners wanted transendance through the composer. "False transendance", as Bornstellar said to the Librarian. He was to carry a bitter record, which sounds like what composed victims were instructed to do. As if he activated the Array and then composed himself, or did it similtaneously. I believe there was a theory of the Halo Array being connected to the Composer in some way. Now that would make things interesting. Built to destroy all sentient, organic life. The memories are composed and the bodies disposed of all in one harmonic pulse. Perhaps thats not how it was originally intended, but what if those newer 6 Halos (adding 07 later) were integrated with the new Composer tech.[/quote] [quote] Oh my... On the subject of Gamma Halo's Activation Index... "A few of us have been speculating if it has secondary and perhaps tertiary purposes as well" The scientists at Ivanoff Station have been studying the Activation Index and believe there may be more to this little device than activating the galaxy's most powerful weapon. With my theory about the Halos being connected to the Composer... perhaps this is that secondary or tertiary purpose. The Index could be like a storage device for the memories composed by the Halo. All these memories are then transfered to a structure called the Library. The Library of memories. Ever wonder why The Ark didn't need an Index, just a touch from a Reclaimer? It isn't directly connected to the Halos (in this case what they're composing), doesn't need a Library, and therefore doesn't need a storage device like an Index. And this would mean the Covenant were actually a lot closer to their transcendence, meeting their gods than previously believed. Perhaps the Halos really are a gateway to transcendence... the Composer on a much larger scale. A portal to the digital realm.[/quote] He in a sense summed everything i am about to say up. Here is an excerpt from the last terminal in halo 3 [quote] I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who came after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence] - what you bought, and the price you paid.[/quote] Now from the cutscene in [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=---Hnqef64k]Reclaimer[/url] The librarian states the last great journey the forerunners were to go on was based off the composer. Issues only spawned when [b]returning[/b] the index's back to biological states,which we see mostly in primordium with the imprints not being fully formed. Now lets look at some more lines to get that blood flowing [quote] On the subject of Gamma Halo's Activation Index... "A few of us have been speculating if it has secondary and perhaps tertiary purposes as well"[/quote] [quote] [url]http://halo.wikibruce.com/Array_Recorder_Data.txt[/url] I feel no peril. No pain. No remorse. Is that normal?[/quote] The composer seems to have worked better through the use of intermediary devices (can't find source quote) as we see in the terminal at charum hakkor. [quote]The Composer! So many possibilities and capabilities tied up in that strange name. . . . A Composer of minds and souls! [/quote] The Composer's results have always varied in which seemed dependent on the user and what the goal was. But as JSA stated they seemed to have gotten better using it over the eons as we can all acknowledge they created it well before the human war. A war that only lasted 51 years. [i]I believe that The composer was linked with the halo array at installation 03 and targeted to compose the forerunners. Which may be the reason The Didact asks if it is normal not to feel pain because we see tat the composer-when used directly- clearly hurts. But what happened to them next? Some of my Archivers think they may have been transported to the domain if not created another version to store themselves. The consensus is that the forerunners are still in a digital format due to the composer still being on 03. meaning they weren't able to revert back to a physical form even if they perfected it. It may be possible that the librarian has plans for us to master the composer and truly save them. Halsey already said she may be able to stop rampancy after looking at the device, something not even they could do.[/i] [b]This is still a pretty rough idea as it obviously isn't as clean as i normally write. I just didn't think it was fair to hoard it.[/b] [Edited on 01.02.2013 2:55 PM PST]

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  • Thanks,

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  • Awesome theory OP. This actually lines up with some ideas I discussed with friends after finishing Halo 4. I honestly won't be surprised if this ends up being the actual cannon.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] prometheus25 Don't mean to be rude, but... Isn't this less of a "Bungie Universe" thing now? I mean, most of this is built off of the new story arc, which has little to do with Bungie and Bungie's current IP's.[/quote] No, this discussion here is fine - it's technically grounded in IRIS and Halo 3's Terminals too which was Bungie's doing.[/quote] Not trying to derail this discussion or anything. Halo is part of an IP, which was assimilated to Microsoft and kept with Bungie's leaving and transferred to 343. Not a matter of who created it, but who owns it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] prometheus25 Don't mean to be rude, but... Isn't this less of a "Bungie Universe" thing now? I mean, most of this is built off of the new story arc, which has little to do with Bungie and Bungie's current IP's.[/quote] No, this discussion here is fine - it's technically grounded in IRIS and Halo 3's Terminals too which was Bungie's doing.

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  • Don't mean to be rude, but... Isn't this less of a "Bungie Universe" thing now? I mean, most of this is built off of the new story arc, which has little to do with Bungie and Bungie's current IP's.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 Over Analyzing and not looking at what i said.[/quote]I'm sorry, it's just that when someone presents a theory, and not just speculation, I tend to want to scrutinise it.[quote]We know that the composer can be linked through other devices and seems to have worked better that way. I am assuming because the power would have been scaled down. Both it an the Halo array's could also be tuned. [u]When was anything said about them going to the domain?[/u][/quote]I should have phrased that part better. What I meant to question was how it would work [i]if[/i] the Domain was involved, and that I can't see this theory working is it--or something similar--wasn't. I.e, how would they collect the information, does the blast bounce like a sonar, do they make a spectrum analasys? Even if it is completely--completely!--fictional (which is just fine), what is the explanation? [quote]The idea is that they were composed and stored in digital format, the rest is brain food.[/quote]So are all of my questions. [quote]The Flood was too advanced for the forerunners to stop in which you need to brush up on IRIS.[/quote]It's funny really, if there's anything I ought to be famous for, it's for constantly blabering about the Iris terminals/servers... [quote]They were trying to rid the flood of it's destructive tendencies in according to the mantle which the flood blatantly goes against.[/quote]Not really. The Mantle was based on preserving the [i]Living Time[/i]. According to the Gravemind, the Flood was the ultimate solution to fulfill the concept and make it adamant. That's also why Mendicant Bias was pursuaded.[quote]The only way they could ever "kill" the flood was by killing those that were already infected which isn't new. This is still shown in CEA where they couldn't kill off the infection form and had to wait for them to die off naturally. The halo array just kills those that can or are infected not the source of the flood itself. I don't even understand that statement as the forerunners have never been able to kill the flood directly hence the array working around that. And the composer's original light is blue BTW.[/quote]I'm not exactly sure what you mean, are you implying that the Flood was unaffected by the blast? That fire from a plasma grenade, or plasma from a cruiser burns and atomises Flood spores, yet a blast from a Halo only [i]kills its food[/i]? Just using colours to differentiate.[quote]Yeah, because composing the entire galaxy clearly isn't a lot to do.[/quote]Why would that be more demanding, it's a spherical blast, wouldn't everything in its way get affected? Why would they even use the Halos if the goal wasn't to cover the galaxy or vast areas of it? And why would it need to be tuned differently, Forerunners, Humans, and all organic life is made of the same matter? I assume the Composer is supposed to scan, store and recreate (or just store), how would it be limited to differentiate between the various objects it scanned when they're all made of the same particles? Halsey had the tech to save the [i]layout[/i] of a human brain and make a digital representation of it. But the Composer would be like the next step of that; not only scanning to recreate a copy, but scanning to capture the actual thing. From what I've gathered anyway. Here I would assume that the problems the Forerunner encountered was that they had a hard time capturing the host, but that's not the case (is it?). They didn't manage to restore what they captured. So, here's why this ties into this theory, what is the fictional explanation of how the Composer scans and captures the [i]data[/i]? If there isn't one, your theory is pretty much flawless (nothing [i]technological[/i] contradicts it), but there are still canonical questions though.[quote]That would be like the reapers killing everything in the galaxy instead of the advanced ones. Why would you seriously just give every race your version of transcendence instead of allowing them to reach their own?[/quote]Yeah, it's a lot better to kill them all. Seriously though, they didn't want to because of their principles (even if they could), I'm just wondering how composing stuff via a Halo would work (in the fiction), if it would compose everything in its way, or if it would be tuned. [quote]Not to mention the composer clearly has a range of what can and cannot be composed as seen in the halo 4 terminals. I don't even think it can compose anything other than what it is tuned for at the moment.[/quote]This is where I'd use the term [i]space magic[/i]. Not in a completely derogatory way, but in a way that certainly doesn't respect the decision of not having an explanation. Not having an explanation for things is just lazy storytelling. [quote]The domain isn't stated in the main idea. Huh? nothing you are saying is making any sense to me. [/quote]If you mean my last paragraph, I'll return the favour of you recommending me to brush up on Iris, by recommending you to revisit the Halo 3 terminals and see how this theory fits with what the characters there state and imply. [Edited on 01.04.2013 10:24 AM PST]

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  • Over Analyzing and not looking at what i said. We know that the composer can be linked through other devices and seems to have worked better that way. I am assuming because the power would have been scaled down. Both it an the Halo array's could also be tuned. When was anything said about them going to the domain? The idea is that they were composed and stored in digital format, the rest is brain food. The Flood was too advanced for the forerunners to stop in which you need to brush up on IRIS. They were trying to rid the flood of it's destructive tendencies in according to the mantle which the flood blatantly goes against. The only way they could ever "kill" the flood was by killing those that were already infected which isn't new. This is still shown in CEA where they couldn't kill off the infection form and had to wait for them to die off naturally. The halo array just kills those that can or are infected not the source of the flood itself. I don't even understand that statement as the forerunners have never been able to kill the flood directly hence the array working around that. And the composer's original light is blue BTW. Yeah, because composing the entire galaxy clearly isn't a lot to do. That would be like the reapers killing everything in the galaxy instead of the advanced ones. Why would you seriously just give every race your version of transcendence instead of allowing them to reach their own? Not to mention the composer clearly has a range of what can and cannot be composed as seen in the halo 4 terminals. I don't even think it can compose anything other than what it is tuned for at the moment. The domain isn't stated in the main idea. Huh? nothing you are saying is making any sense to me.

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  • So, a neutron blast is somehow capable of analysing organic beings and send the result to the Domain? ... Or did the Halo installations somehow enhance/increase the Composers range? If that's the case, HOW? It seems like an awful lot of suspended disbelief is required... And what about the Flood and all other life, did they get transferred too, or did they die because the frequency was set to kill them Mass Effect 3/Gears of War 3 style? In other words; the Halo Array was capable of choosing what to affect, and still they weren't able to make a device that killed Flood and left Forerunner alone? Or did they fire it twice; once to kill the Flood with [i]blue light[/i] (Forerunners hid in shield worlds), and once to compose with [i]orange light[/i]? And why would a system that's capable of copying a Forerunner mind ([b]still an organic being[/b]), not be able to copy any other organic life, or could it but they discarded all of it cause they wanted [i]regular life to go on[/i] as they planned earlier? Would that mean that the Forerunner have control of the Domain or is the a bottle-neck through everything must pass? If they have control of the Domain, why not just interfere with the Graveminds control over his Flood? There's a good chance the Forerunners were composed and transfered to the Domain, but that was most likely through the Composer. Also, having a Halo do what the composer was meant to, would diminish its worth from a storytelling perspective. However, judging from what Halo tends to do nowadays, why not? EDIT: why did the Librarian say [i]"you cannot save me"[/i] and not [i]"see you in the Domain"[/i]? And why does the Didact believe that following the Mantle is the path to the Great Journey, and not firing the Halos? [Edited on 01.04.2013 6:57 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 ming = blown. Seriously tho, good theory. Granted, I'm sure Bungie never planned for the Array to be anything more than a galaxy-wide extermination device, but this does make some sense. [/quote] Thanks, JSA did his part as-well You then have to consider if truth was on to something as he was starting to act weird during halo 3. Like extremely weird. He clearly knew that the rings killed everything from what he said to Johnson "And that secret dies with all the rest". If he knew that then why was he going to activate them? He was seriously going to kill the entire galaxy but there was no reason behind his real motives.[/quote] Truth new about what the Halo's did a loong time ago. I guess you could say the more he tried to cover up his mess before he became High Prophet, the more he descended into madness. By the time Thel killed him, he was trying to use the array to wipe out all of his problems and more. Kill humanity, Kill the Seperatist Covenant and the rest of the Loyalists in the Milky Way, along with any active Flood threats.

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  • Well, I remember an old site, Ascendant Justice, did some pondering on that very subject a long time ago. Nothing about the Composer as it didn't exist in the lore yet, but they took apart the terminals and showed their evidence that the Forerunners did take part in an actual "Great Journey." They figured it was them leaving the Galaxy, but now with this around, it adds some more things to be looked at. I really wish the writers were still there. I spent many hours reading through their wonderful posts. Oh I wonder what they would get up to with all this new lore.

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  • Cool theory, makes sense.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 I think this has already been said but my mind is blowwwwn. It actually all makes sense...when you say "tuned to compose Forerunners only"....how do you think it would differentiate between organisms? I'd imagine that maybe the Forerunners had their own geas?[/quote] I don't get your Geas statement. Forerunner biology is different like all life, all it would take focusing on the main genes that make forerunners themselves. Seriously not hard to do considering everything else they have done. And yes,pretty much the covenant was right. Caveat: They and everybody else would still die because the composer wouldn't be tuned to them.

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  • I think this has already been said but my mind is blowwwwn. It actually all makes sense...when you say "tuned to compose Forerunners only"....how do you think it would differentiate between organisms? I'd imagine that maybe the Forerunners had their own geas?

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  • Sooooooooo... The Covenant was right?

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  • I wonder if they will do anything with that Uranus quote or if it will just be an offhand mention that will never be expanded upon. Considering that the Encyclopedia was made by 343i, I am thinking they will expand upon it somewhat. Having the Assembly in Uranus would explain those radiation spikes the Encyclopedia mentioned.

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  • I was implying that they [b]are[/b] the seeds. Anton and I have speculated that they were stationed in Uranus since the encyclopedia says "It is too costly to travel" to the planet. Yet we built infinity in the Oort cloud and somehow traveled to the debris of 00.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Forerunners composed themselves and uploaded themselves to Domain. Librarian claims she is responsible for pretty much every major advance (ancilla, combat skin, genes). However, the Assembly also claims responsibility for planting idea of Spartan project in Halsey and ONI's heads. Assembly is claiming they are the origin of advancements the Librarian claims she is responsible for. Is there a connection between the Librarian and Assembly?[/quote] The Librarian could have somehow planned for the Assembly to get this idea. On that note the Assembly is made up of AIs. There was definitely no direct contact between the Librarian and the Assembly. Also, great theory OP. It's very possible.[/quote] The Librarian said she hid seeds from the didact that would lead to an eventuality. Augmentations,Combat skin, AI's All pushed and directed by the assembly since they started the insurrection to start with.[/quote] Perhaps the Assembly detected those seeds? They are a conglomerate of some of the finest AIs in existence (at the moment) and they have been trying to guide humanity for many years. They might not have gotten the scope of te Librarian's plans, but perhaps they saw hints or possibilities.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Forerunners composed themselves and uploaded themselves to Domain. Librarian claims she is responsible for pretty much every major advance (ancilla, combat skin, genes). However, the Assembly also claims responsibility for planting idea of Spartan project in Halsey and ONI's heads. Assembly is claiming they are the origin of advancements the Librarian claims she is responsible for. Is there a connection between the Librarian and Assembly?[/quote] The Librarian could have somehow planned for the Assembly to get this idea. On that note the Assembly is made up of AIs. There was definitely no direct contact between the Librarian and the Assembly. Also, great theory OP. It's very possible.[/quote] The Librarian said she hid seeds from the didact that would lead to an eventuality. Augmentations,Combat skin, AI's All pushed and directed by the assembly since they started the insurrection to start with.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Forerunners composed themselves and uploaded themselves to Domain. Librarian claims she is responsible for pretty much every major advance (ancilla, combat skin, genes). However, the Assembly also claims responsibility for planting idea of Spartan project in Halsey and ONI's heads. Assembly is claiming they are the origin of advancements the Librarian claims she is responsible for. Is there a connection between the Librarian and Assembly?[/quote] The Librarian could have somehow planned for the Assembly to get this idea. On that note the Assembly is made up of AIs. There was definitely no direct contact between the Librarian and the Assembly. Also, great theory OP. It's very possible.

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  • Forerunners composed themselves and uploaded themselves to Domain. Librarian claims she is responsible for pretty much every major advance (ancilla, combat skin, genes). However, the Assembly also claims responsibility for planting idea of Spartan project in Halsey and ONI's heads. Assembly is claiming they are the origin of advancements the Librarian claims she is responsible for. Is there a connection between the Librarian and Assembly?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 ming = blown. Seriously tho, good theory. Granted, I'm sure Bungie never planned for the Array to be anything more than a galaxy-wide extermination device, but this does make some sense. [/quote] Thanks, JSA did his part as-well You then have to consider if truth was on to something as he was starting to act weird during halo 3. Like extremely weird. He clearly knew that the rings killed everything from what he said to Johnson "And that secret dies with all the rest". If he knew that then why was he going to activate them? He was seriously going to kill the entire galaxy but there was no reason behind his real motives.

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  • ming = blown. Seriously tho, good theory. Granted, I'm sure Bungie never planned for the Array to be anything more than a galaxy-wide extermination device, but this does make some sense.

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  • This puts a new perspective into everything. What if the Flood return with a greater force than ever before, even stronger than ancient Forerunner times and there is absolutely no way to fight the Flood. Humanity finds the link between the Composer and the Halos and figure out how to Compose everything and activate the Halos to end the series.

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  • Thanks. The thing is i am saying that the composer was linked to the arrays and [b]tuned[/b] to compose only forerunners. so in actuality no,lol.

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  • Seems like a really cool idea. So if the Covenant were kind of right about them joining they're gods, the Forerunners, then would it be alright to activate the Halos if we're all just getting Composed?

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