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12/12/2012 8:52:13 PM
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343i - A Look At What's Wrong Right Now
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?
Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?
It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!
One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.
Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?
tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AMW Godfather Yeah, these people put Halo2 on a very tall pedestal yet fail to realize a few key things 1) Halo2 was shipped with so many flaws, bugs, glitches...but wait, they difend Halo2 by saying these glitches made the game more "enjoyable" and "competetive". 2) There were just as many haters of Halo2, if not more, then Halo4. They all whined about the same crap you are whining about now. You are a very loud, very vocal MINORITY. Don't get me wrong, I loved Halo2. It is just funny to see these kids thinking they are spouting out something profound, new or insightful. [/quote] Another thing you failed to realize Halo 2 was the first Halo game to have online multiplayer and there was a high chance the multiplayer would not have happened. Halo 4 on the other hand is a completely different scenario. To use such a thing as justification for Halo 4's problems really is laughable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 and a veteran team working on it[/quote] Lol[/quote] Go [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/343_Industries]here[/url] ctrl+f for "former" and you will see most of the staff has worked for other game companies in the past so they are mainly not new hence they are a veteran to an extent. Now if you want to say that they suck at programming/game design I would like to have some proof of that since I doubt Microsoft would have constructed a team of amateurs to work on their main money maker.[/quote] Lol
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AMW Godfather There were just as many haters of Halo2, if not more, then Halo4. [/quote] At the time of Halo 2's "prime", it was hated as much as, or even more than Reach. Halo 4's hate level is actually surprisingly tame compared to Reach and 2. It's around the level of Halo 3 (though still far less than ODST and CE, the latter of which didn't really [I]get[/I] any hate whatsoever) Of course, that has no say on the quality of the game. [Edited on 12.12.2012 4:12 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 and a veteran team working on it[/quote] Lol[/quote] Go [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/343_Industries]here[/url] ctrl+f for "former" and you will see most of the staff has worked for other game companies in the past so they are mainly not new hence they are a veteran to an extent. Now if you want to say that they suck at programming/game design I would like to have some proof of that since I doubt Microsoft would have constructed a team of amateurs to work on their main money maker.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 Personally I enjoy good finished games which Halo 4 isn't.[/quote] In response specifically to you, then you must have hated Halo 2 to [I]death[/I]. @ OP of this thread and all other H4 hate threads: Wow. [I]Nothing[/I] that [I]any[/I] of you have said was enough to change my opinion on the game. Please try harder, it's hilarious. What's just as hilarious is how you people call Halo 4 a monstrosity and praise Halo 2's "competitiveness". [/quote] Yeah, these people put Halo2 on a very tall pedestal yet fail to realize a few key things 1) Halo2 was shipped with so many flaws, bugs, glitches...but wait, they difend Halo2 by saying these glitches made the game more "enjoyable" and "competetive". 2) There were just as many haters of Halo2, if not more, then Halo4. They all whined about the same crap you are whining about now. You are a very loud, very vocal MINORITY. Don't get me wrong, I loved Halo2. It is just funny to see these kids thinking they are spouting out something profound, new or insightful.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 and a veteran team working on it[/quote] Lol
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 Personally I enjoy good finished games which Halo 4 isn't.[/quote] In response specifically to you, then you must have hated Halo 2 to [I]death[/I]. @ OP of this thread and all other H4 hate threads: Wow. [I]Nothing[/I] that [I]any[/I] of you have said was enough to change my opinion on the game. Please try harder, it's hilarious. What's just as hilarious is how you people call Halo 4 a monstrosity and praise Halo 2's "competitiveness". [/quote] Halo 2 was good for the allotted time and money put in. Multiplayer was a mess due to how many people were on it and considering how little games had multiplayer back then it was a good game. Even though I do agree the glitches and the modding that took place ruined the upper end of ranked MM. Then most of the issued that plagued Halo 2 were fixed in Halo 3 so really bring Halo 2 as justification for Halo 4 imo is a poor attempt to justify a broken game that had millions of dollars put into it and a veteran team working on it. Then with a lot of the game being lifted from Reach there is no excuse it is that simple. Also as for the Halo 2 praise I think you would have a hard time finding someone that denies the problems being there while with Halo 4 there are tons of people that deny the game is broken.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 Personally I enjoy good finished games which Halo 4 isn't.[/quote] In response specifically to you, then you must have hated Halo 2 to [I]death[/I]. @ OP of this thread and all other H4 hate threads: Wow. [I]Nothing[/I] that [I]any[/I] of you have said was enough to change my opinion on the game. Please try harder, it's hilarious. What's just as hilarious is how you people call Halo 4 a monstrosity and praise Halo 2's "competitiveness".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 I think [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BydYgfCmekQ]this[/url] argument sums up by feelings towards your argument. [/quote] It is ok I understand some people are not good at math and/or numbers, but at least you linked me to a decent youtube video.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 Halo 3 did not have to compete with COD, at first. And COD was no where near the same powerhouse that it is today when Reach arrived. But you can still convince yourself Halo 4 is bad all you want, while I enjoy every second of it. [/quote] Halo 3 and CoD4 were released around the same time and CoD4 was still very popular back then hence why it was second if I remember correctly. Then there was a time Halo 3 lost first place when dealing with WaW and CoD4. Halo 3 also had to deal with MW2 and it still held its ground in the top 3 fairly well throughout its entire lifespan. It had a consistent 200-300k people online daily for all 3 years even while competing with CoD which has always been popular. Now you can argue CoD is more popular nowadays, but it doesn't change the numbers regarding daily population. Halo Reach at least maintained 100k+ people for a few months Halo 4 can barely manage that for a month. As for convincing myself the game is bad there is no need to do so since the poor unfinished game speaks for itself. Personally I enjoy good finished games which Halo 4 isn't.[/quote] I think [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BydYgfCmekQ]this[/url] argument sums up by feelings towards your argument.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 Halo 3 did not have to compete with COD, at first. And COD was no where near the same powerhouse that it is today when Reach arrived. But you can still convince yourself Halo 4 is bad all you want, while I enjoy every second of it. [/quote] Halo 3 and CoD4 were released around the same time and CoD4 was still very popular back then hence why it was second if I remember correctly. Then there was a time Halo 3 lost first place when dealing with WaW and CoD4. Halo 3 also had to deal with MW2 and it still held its ground in the top 3 fairly well throughout its entire lifespan. It had a consistent 200-300k people online daily for all 3 years even while competing with CoD which has always been popular. Now you can argue CoD is more popular nowadays, but it doesn't change the numbers regarding daily population. Halo Reach at least maintained 100k+ people for a few months Halo 4 can barely manage that for a month. As for convincing myself the game is bad there is no need to do so since the poor unfinished game speaks for itself. Personally I enjoy good finished games which Halo 4 isn't.
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Yeah, Halo sucks now. Don't expect much to change though.
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The game could be wrapped in bacon, come with a season pass to Jessica Albas poon and be presented by God himself and you whiners would still find a reason to whine. God you people are pathetic.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 *Looks are Halo 3 and even Reach which both had good/decent populations at least a few months if not years after launch* Yeah now what were you saying about that happening to most games? Are you new to the Halo franchise because that is the only logical reason I can come up for you to think that happens to all Halos?[/quote] Halo 3 did not have to compete with COD, at first. And COD was no where near the same powerhouse that it is today when Reach arrived. But you can still convince yourself Halo 4 is bad all you want, while I enjoy every second of it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 *Looks at the dramatic drop in population less than a month after release* [/quote] Which game? Because if you had even a single brain cell between your ears, you would realize 99% of games are the same. Your move. [/quote] *Looks are Halo 3 and even Reach which both had good/decent populations at least a few months if not years after launch* Yeah now what were you saying about that happening to most games? Are you new to the Halo franchise because that is the only logical reason I can come up for you to think that happens to all Halos?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] What Is This1 *Looks at the dramatic drop in population less than a month after release* [/quote] Which game? Because if you had even a single brain cell between your ears, you would realize 99% of games are the same. Your move.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rabid Grunt 3 Thanks for the "heads up", but i'll pass. I know what I bought, and do you want to know why I have not complained? Because I like it, as do most people. [/quote] *Looks at the dramatic drop in population less than a month after release* Are you sure about that or is your fanboyism blinding you from reality? [Edited on 12.12.2012 3:43 PM PST]
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Another one. I might suggest leaving your computer for a while.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TH3_AV3NG3R I love you op. I am sending you a Friend request over XBox live.[/quote] Also, I love how all the Halo 4 haters crawl up each others rectums like they are some cool underground resistance. Pathetic.
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Thanks for the "heads up", but i'll pass. I know what I bought, and do you want to know why I have not complained? Because I like it, as do most people.
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Another Halo 4 thread? Ok we get it; you think Halo 4 is broken and 343 doesn't know how to properly run it. You've made your point several times already.
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Agree with OP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude The H4 Campaign was good I think yeah. Not great, but definitely good. There are some elements in there that I disliked quite a lot, particularly the QTEs, but I really loved seeing the Chief again.[/quote] I only saw 2 QTE's, it isn't that bad. [Edited on 12.12.2012 3:23 PM PST]
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The H4 Campaign was good I think yeah. Not great, but definitely good. There are some elements in there that I disliked quite a lot, particularly the QTEs, but I really loved seeing the Chief again.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.[/quote] This is the self-righteous attitude that bugs me. You keep claiming that Halo 4 is a broken product but you don't have any tenable arguments to the point.[/quote] What are you talking about?? There are many arguments that support this [i]attitude[/i]. -Broken Forge -Broken Custom Game options -No Assault, no classic CTF, no customizable Infection -Weapon despawn times -No ammo on maps -Pre-game lobby is unintuitive -Pre-game lobby is hard to use in a party And these are just the things that can be proven. The matters of opinion regarding JIP, instant respawn, map designs, weapon balance, ordinance drops and AAs, specs, perks, mods and all that jazz is another matter altogether. The thing I don't get about people like you Plasma is that you talk about people who dislike the game as if they have no merit in their arguments. There is plenty of merit, and plenty of evidence. I mean.... of that list I just provided to you do you honestly think they're acceptable?[/quote] Glad to see no one really hated the campaign that much. Thats the reason Ill really be buying the reclaimer trilogy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma Prestige [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.[/quote] This is the self-righteous attitude that bugs me. You keep claiming that Halo 4 is a broken product but you don't have any tenable arguments to the point.[/quote] What are you talking about?? There are many arguments that support this [i]attitude[/i]. -Broken Forge -Broken Custom Game options -No Assault, no classic CTF, no customizable Infection -Weapon despawn times -No ammo on maps -Pre-game lobby is unintuitive -Pre-game lobby is hard to use in a party And these are just the things that can be proven. The matters of opinion regarding JIP, instant respawn, map designs, weapon balance, ordinance drops and AAs, specs, perks, mods and all that jazz is another matter altogether. The thing I don't get about people like you Plasma is that you talk about people who dislike the game as if they have no merit in their arguments. There is plenty of merit, and plenty of evidence. I mean.... of that list I just provided to you do you honestly think they're acceptable?
