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12/2/2012 4:00:20 PM
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[Spoilers] The Precursors' Test
When the Precursors unleashed the Flood on the prehistoric humans, they passed a test and the Flood chose not to infect them, according to the Primordial. What is this test and why did the Forerunners not pass it?
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Conjecture. Conjecture, everywhere.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MaxRealflugel The revealing fo what the Forerunners look like, what the true purpose of the Flood is, and working, functioning Forerunner technology is a means of expanding the universe -- breathing new life into it. Precursors are the new black. They are our next mystery.[/quote]Don't forget the ominous ship that crashed on 04, seen in the anniversary terminals.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlackKnightKanos What I don't understand is if the Forerunners were already established as the ones to carry the Mantle, why would they have to make another test?[/quote] They weren't. The Precursors were about to exterminate them since they weren't but they rebelled and destroyed the Precursors.
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What I don't understand is if the Forerunners were already established as the ones to carry the Mantle, why would they have to make another test?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sweety Rolls 77 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.[/quote]If the flood is the only solution to a perfect society I think I'd rather die than live in that society.[/quote] You basically die when you get in that society.
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The revealing fo what the Forerunners look like, what the true purpose of the Flood is, and working, functioning Forerunner technology is a means of expanding the universe -- breathing new life into it. Precursors are the new black. They are our next mystery.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh It was my understanding that Mankind had passed the test because of the sacrifices we had been willing to make, not because we willingly infected ourselves. The Forerunners failed because they were overly arrogant and took everyone with them during their great sacrifice.[/quote] yeah this is my understanding too
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] agent wash282 Im all for ancient humans being a galactic empire. Even having a war with forerunners but when you say they were getting as strong maybe stronger than forerunners it takes away from the mystery and power that the forerunners had in halo CE - 3. Also the new way the flood is portrayed as being this test of submission messes with me. If the test is to submit then why didn't the flood just end up infecting/killing everything? It goes from the galactic plague/revenge against forerunners and other species to a tool in precursor's ruling us after they left. To be honest if I could ask both Bungie/343 one question it would be was all this new information planned in the Halo bible since at least halo 2 or has all of this come up after halo 3 or when 343 started being involved? [/quote]
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Im all for ancient humans being a galactic empire. Even having a war with forerunners but when you say they were getting as strong maybe stronger than forerunners it takes away from the mystery and power that the forerunners had in halo CE - 3. Also the new way the flood is portrayed as being this test of submission messes with me. If the test is to submit then why didn't the flood just end up infecting/killing everything? It goes from the galactic plague/revenge against forerunners and other species to a tool in precursor's ruling us after they left. To be honest if I could ask both Bungie/343 one question it would be was all this new information planned in the Halo bible since at least halo 2 or has all of this come up after halo 3 or when 343 started being involved?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darth Lampshade I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole [i]ancient human civilization[/i] subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka There's much to say, this is not more than one out of many elements, but whatever... Some like to know how the magic trick was done, some want to be fooled. [/quote] There is still plenty of mystery left in Halo. Just because you learned how one trick was done does not mean the others will be known immediately. I don't disagree some ways they told the story could be better, but I still find it much better than just leaving people high and dry.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darth Lampshade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all. The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous. [/quote] I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4. [/quote] I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole [i]ancient human civilization[/i] subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too. [/quote] Same here i dont like humans being one of most powerful beings 100,000 years ago and same goes with the san shyumm, i dont like the fact that we actually encountered them long before. I think it should have only been the forerunners. [/quote] [i]Sigh...[/i] You lot are all the same in how you bring across these opinions. Nope, god forbid any [i]substance[/i] is actually added to the Halo universe. Let's all just knock our nostalgia-addled heads together and wish for something else for a reason, and you will indulge my assumption here, you can't explain in any valid terms beyond "it doesn't feel right". If you feel that "far too much has been added" and it's getting too complicated for you, then you're clearly with the wrong series.[/quote] Stop getting on as if i'm bashing it and wanting it go only my way. The ancient human stuff just doesn't appeal to me I dont like that part of the halo universe, no big deal. [Edited on 12.03.2012 1:05 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra I'm with you ajw, I think too many people just have their preconceived notions clouding their judgement. What does it hurt if humanity was once a greater interstellar empire? What does it care if the Flood is more sinister than initially thought? Why is depth looked down upon?[/quote]For me it's not about this added [i]depth[/i], it's about how it's presented. Outright telling/explaining what happened through a linear narrative was boring. It's just so blunt, doesn't matter that Bear managed to tell a good story, when I step back and look at the whole picture, I'm just not trilled, intrigued, encouraged to think. Halo had an amazing premiss; we saw the Forerunner myth and heritage through the eyes of Master Chief. They could have told the entire story that way, it was the IP's style. That's the reason Bungie chose to start the story there instead of during the Forerunner era, after all. Lord of the Rings style, [i]Heroics[/i] led to [i]Legends[/i] which in its case turned to [i]Myth[/i]. Now it's lost [i]depth[/i], expanded the lore, but lost a layer of in terms of storytelling methods. Everything is clear-cut, it's like [i]midichlorians[/i] vs [i]the force[/i]. [i]Must know everything now![/i] No mysteries, only questions. Halo 4 had the Librarian suddenly enter the picture and straight-out spoon-feed us two minutes of exhibition! The terminals weren't even logically integrated; instead of reading loggs or receiving the backstory in a plausible way, we have direct video footage from the events i.e meta, unless it was an [i]interpretation[/i] of what happened... There's much to say, this is not more than one out of many elements, but whatever... Some like to know how the magic trick was done, some want to be fooled. [Edited on 12.03.2012 12:50 PM PST]
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I'm with you ajw, I think too many people just have their preconceived notions clouding their judgement. What does it hurt if humanity was once a greater interstellar empire? What does it care if the Flood is more sinister than initially thought? Why is depth looked down upon?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darth Lampshade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all. The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous. [/quote] I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4. [/quote] I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole [i]ancient human civilization[/i] subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too. [/quote] Same here i dont like humans being one of most powerful beings 100,000 years ago and same goes with the san shyumm, i dont like the fact that we actually encountered them long before. I think it should have only been the forerunners. [/quote] [i]Sigh...[/i] You lot are all the same in how you bring across these opinions. Nope, god forbid any [i]substance[/i] is actually added to the Halo universe. Let's all just knock our nostalgia-addled heads together and wish for something else for a reason, and you will indulge my assumption here, you can't explain in any valid terms beyond "it doesn't feel right". If you feel that "far too much has been added" and it's getting too complicated for you, then you're clearly with the wrong series.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darth Lampshade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all. The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous. [/quote] I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4. [/quote] I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole [i]ancient human civilization[/i] subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too. [/quote] Same here i dont like humans being one of most powerful beings 100,000 years ago and same goes with the san shyumm, i dont like the fact that we actually encountered them long before. I think it should have only been the forerunners.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MaxRealflugel What about First Strike then? That's where the reference is.[/quote] Hmm... It was mentioned that Boren's Syndrome was merely to cover up the fact that he was part of the SPARTAN I Programme... But there isn't supposed to be a cure. And the Flood didn't choose not to infect him - they did try to attack. Very interesting. Perhaps a retcon is in order. Or he escaped the Flood through just his physical ability. But then Cortana wouldn't have... Did Cortana say that it was caused by Boren's Syndrome? Was she just guessing? My, I have to get to rereading First Strike.
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What about First Strike then? That's where the reference is.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MaxRealflugel The only known cure turned out to be Johnson's unique resistance to the Flood, caused by his supposed Borens syndrome. And, perhaps, some minor augmentations from the S1 program.[/quote] Was retconned out of the story with the Halo Graphic Novel, which merely shows him escaping iirc.
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The only known cure turned out to be Johnson's unique resistance to the Flood, caused by his supposed Borens syndrome. And, perhaps, some minor augmentations from the S1 program.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The test, as far as we know, dictates that you submit to the Flood. The Ancient Humans, in an effort to use their 'cure' threw a third of their whole population of the Flood, and while the cure didn't actually work the Flood stopped infecting humanity. We had [unconsciously] submitted, we passed. The Forerunners failed because they took up arms and relentlessly fought back, never giving in to the Flood.[/quote] Then why didn't the Flood consume all of humanity? Wasn't the plan to consume all of the galaxy's sentient life for perfect unity?[/quote] It was my understanding that Mankind had passed the test because of the sacrifices we had been willing to make, not because we willingly infected ourselves. The Forerunners failed because they were overly arrogant and took everyone with them during their great sacrifice.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 The idea that the Flood is the Precursors or the Flood itself is a type of twisted test is just a bit much. It would make more sense if the Flood was a experiment gone horribly wrong by a group of wacked Precursors and not a psychotic test meant to prove what species should have dominion over the galaxy.[/quote] Why is it "a bit too much"? Why does your version "make more sense"? On what basis would what you want to happen be at all credible? The 'experiment gone wrong' trope is one of the most overused, unoriginal and cliche ideas in sci-fi.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] adamj004 The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all. The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous. [/quote] I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4. [/quote] I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole [i]ancient human civilization[/i] subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too.
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Just to clarify, the Primordial, the last Precursor, said that the Precursors had created the Flood.
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Sounds like the opposite of mass effect's indoctrination process.
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In the original Trilogy Bungie vaguely hinted the Precursors may have been responsible for the Flood. The Precursors were millions of years older than the Forerunners, capable of traveling to other galaxies and tinkering with the evolution of other life forms. They also supposedly achieved something called trans-sentience; a new level of consciousness, unified, maybe even immortal. Sound familiar? The Gravemind spouts a bunch of this at the Chief to try and stop him from rescuing Cortana and blowing up the Ark.The idea that the Flood is the Precursors or the Flood itself is a type of twisted test is just a bit much. It would make more sense if the Flood was a experiment gone horribly wrong by a group of wacked Precursors and not a psychotic test meant to prove what species should have dominion over the galaxy. [Edited on 12.02.2012 10:36 PM PST]
