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Seventh Column Council revival.

Hello there, community. I was searching through my saved threads the other day and something caught my attention. There was something being organized that, at least not to my knowledge, never really lifted off. It was called, "The Seventh Column Council". For those of you who don't know what I'm blabbering about, [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=53630]read up[/url]. For those too lazy to read up, I'll give you a brief description. The basic idea was to create a self-governing body to organize activites within the community. This isn't about gamenights or interviews, however. The Community Carnage and Community Joes do a fantastic job of entertaining and bringing the community closer together, but this is the next step. If we were to someday manage the organization of this we could make a massive community gathering like "Bungiecon" or "Bungiefest" a reality. I mean, think about PAX. They started out small and now PAX is a huge thing. Anyways, that isn't what this thread is about. I am writing this to attempt, keyword being attempt, to revive the old Seventh Column Council idea. If we could just come together and work as a community, we could pull it off. Here's the problem, however: it would involve voting. I know people here, myself included, are concerned with popularity outweighing the actual qualifications. I think if we looked at our government, and by we I mean the U.S. government (no offense to people outside the U.S.), we could see how to solve this issue. The key to making a voting system work is through checks and balances. [b][u]How it could work[/b][/u]: We could make this a month-long event, monitored closely by the moderators and employees, and separate it into four parts. [b]Week 1[/b]: Nomination process. [b]Week 2[/b]: Community questions for candidates (could take same order mail sack does). [b]Week 3[/b]: Community elects official candidates (number of candidates could be decided later). [b]Week 4[/b]: Offical election of Candidates. Now, once we have all officials elected here is how we could make this system work. Each official elected by the community [i]could[/i] be given a title in the main forums, if Bungie were to allow this. This wouldn't be something just to show off, however. It would be so that the officials could actually be held accountable for their responsibilities as an elected official. They would be in charge of working with the community to organize and carry-out community events. If the community feels that the officials are not performing the best they could (now being active enough, not creating events, not working with other officials, etc) there could be an offical way to remove an official from office. They could also serve a 1 or 2 year term and I think there should also be a requirement to be considered for nomination. These requirements could possibly be ammount of activity and ban history so that the community could know whether or not the member would be a good candidate. I feel that it would be important to establish this sometime before Destiny arrives so that when the new members arrive so they can immediately get involved and feel welcome. Again, the purpose of this council would to bring the community closer together and take the next step in community events. These are just my thoughts on these, but I feel that others should consider this as well. What do you think, community? Any other ideas? [Edited on 11.27.2012 1:37 PM PST]

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  • Sure, I will participate.

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  • Sounds like a very interesting concept, but I see some complications. If you could pull this off and solve the problems at the same time, it may stand a chance at being successful.

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  • No. We just all should get along. b.net wont explode overnight we will survive.

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  • I'm not exactly sure why we need one. We can arrange events, and "being in charge of working with the community"...? What does that even mean?

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  • What I don't like about this is it would make a lot of people want to become "internet politicians"m Lying through their teeth for power, and/or just being one giant "popularity" contest. Honestly, I always thought that Bungie picking out some members who they trust more to use as a type of "council" was a good idea. But an election process, to me, could/would just end really badly.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 As with any idea on this site, people always pick holes and find ways to turn a positive thing into a negative.[/quote]Have you ever considered that it may not be everyone else's fault and that you're just proposing bad ideas? [Edited on 11.27.2012 5:44 PM PST]

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  • I want to be on the council, I am here everyday anyway.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 It would be interesting to say the least. I'm on a Community Council on a large website and we pretty much; - Test new site features - Suggest ideas - Give feedback - Fill in questionnaires - and a few other things.. The same could happen on bungie.net?[/quote]I like those ideas. I nominate dazarobbo and iggyhopper because they're both code savvy and could help the Web Team with more accurate feedback to new site features. I also nominate SonicJohn because, if he doesn't want to be a ninja, the dude should be something. He's a cool dude. I also nominate Halo53 and some prominent Heroic or Legendary member to offer a contrast of views between old-school users and newbies and what they want out of the site. So, full nomination list:[quote]Daza (tech savvy) Iggy (tech savvy) SonicJohn (pretty cool dude) Halo53 (grandpa) Random Heroic/Legendary (baby)[/quote] ©

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  • Ok, I will try one more time and propose an alternative. First, I have this quote from DeeJ: [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SilverBulitt82 I'm actually looking forward to the arrival of new members. [/quote] Right on. And why not? This clubhouse is scaled to host a huge party. The more the merrier, I say. You all have private groups for those quiet moments between smaller clusters of friends. [b]New recruits are the lifeblood of any community[/b]. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] antony X1000 New members won't be that bad. Once they know what is happening they'll either move on, or become part of the community.[/quote] And, [b]how will they learn what is happening[/b]? When I was the governor of a website that enabled an intimate clan hub, we put a lot of effort into making newcomers in search of a team feel welcome. [b]One of the biggest problems with Internet Communities is that they are unapproachable. People are intimidated to ask the questions they need answered to get involved, for fear of scorn and mockery. And, the first time a newcomer is slammed for not knowing what the veterans know will likely be the last time they make an effort.[/b] Is Bungie.next to be one of those places? [b]I would challenge each of you to think about what we could do to be a place where gamers are welcomed to have a seat and enjoy the feast[/b]. I have some of ideas of my own, but this isn't the time to talk about that... [/quote] I have highlighted the aspects of this quote that I feel are important to me. Making this place welcoming to new members is of vast importance to me. No one likes going anywhere and feeling like no one is paying attention. I want the council to serve as a group of people that can make new members feel like they are welcome, and valued, in our community. I am aware that voting causes problems with popularity. So, i propose an alternative. Rather than voting for officials, why not create a group here, similar to The Community Carnage or the Community Joes, to serve as a base of operations where everyone is welcome to do their part for the community. We can organize gamenights, weekly updates like the ones members (myself included) have tried to organize, and anything else members come up with. As I have stated before, the best way to make new people feel welcome is involving them right away. [b]I am not suggesting that I be the one to create such a group either, or that this even has to be a group. These are just simply some ideas I have thought of and I encourage other members here to take them and make them their own. I want someone here to do something great for the community, like others already have, and I want the right person to get this off the ground. I will leave it at that[/b].

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChorrizoTapatio[/quote] No it's not. If you believe that your idea can be implemented well then there's no reason to lose faith. Counter the points of others and try to convince them otherwise.

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  • Wargamer for dictator of Bnet 2012...erm...I mean....Wargamer for organization 2012....nah....the original has a better ring....i'll go with that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x The "Seventh Column Council" idea has been batted around on this site for a decade and it hasn't really gotten off the ground. Part of the problem is, as other members have noted, that it is in practice little more than a popularity contest. There is little to indicate what exactly anybody means by "taking charge around here and keeping things alive." It implies some sort of governing role, or some ability to influence things that happen on the website beyond what a normal member can do. But what would be the actual mandate of the council? You can't tell them "take charge and keep this place active" and then have them go about their business. There needs to be something more definitive. Also, and I hate to say this, but I think it's true: the biggest issue is that, let's face it, the purpose is far more about elevating certain members with special recognition/member titles than it is about helping the community. There wouldn't be half as much interest in a Seventh Column Council in which members had no additional member title and/or no additional access to the website and its administration. Want proof? Take a look at the current state of affairs. This place is already alive. Look at the thousands of posts per day. Look at the hundreds of active private groups. Look at the current community projects already happening. What "activities" are there on this site that a new member can't participate in? What "activities" could be implemented to make new members want to stay any more than they already do? What "activities" could there be that would require some kind of official council to do them? People who want to do community "projects" already do them. They don't need a special member title or some kind of official recognition to do so; they just come up with an idea and implement it. A "Seventh Column Council" would not and could not improve on anything that the community does already, and would therefore become nothing more than some kind of "special recognition badge" along the lines of many other types of "special recognition requests" that bubble up in this forum. And truthfully, I think that this is the reason that Achronos has never really fully endorsed the idea. As has been the case in the past, I don't see a need to change from the current system.[/quote] Alright well, that's that :/

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  • The "Seventh Column Council" idea has been batted around on this site for a decade and it hasn't really gotten off the ground. Part of the problem is, as other members have noted, that it is in practice little more than a popularity contest. There is little to indicate what exactly anybody means by "taking charge around here and keeping things alive." It implies some sort of governing role, or some ability to influence things that happen on the website beyond what a normal member can do. But what would be the actual mandate of the council? You can't tell them "take charge and keep this place active" and then have them go about their business. There needs to be something more definitive. Also, and I hate to say this, but I think it's true: the biggest issue is that, let's face it, the purpose is far more about elevating certain members with special recognition/member titles than it is about helping the community. There wouldn't be half as much interest in a Seventh Column Council in which members had no additional member title and/or no additional access to the website and its administration. Want proof? Take a look at the current state of affairs. This place is already alive. Look at the thousands of posts per day. Look at the hundreds of active private groups. Look at the current community projects already happening. What "activities" are there on this site that a new member can't participate in? What "activities" could be implemented to make new members want to stay any more than they already do? What "activities" could there be that would require some kind of official council to do them? People who want to do community "projects" already do them. They don't need a special member title or some kind of official recognition to do so; they just come up with an idea and implement it. A "Seventh Column Council" would not and could not improve on anything that the community does already, and would therefore become nothing more than some kind of "special recognition badge" along the lines of many other types of "special recognition requests" that bubble up in this forum. And truthfully, I think that this is the reason that Bungie itself has never really fully endorsed the idea or tried to push it along. As has been the case in the past, I don't see a need to change from the current system. [Edited on 11.27.2012 3:46 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChorrizoTapatio Ok, I can see that I didn't express my idea very clearly. Sorry for that. The purpose of this, or at least the one I think would be cool, is to organize things within the community. It's not just about gamenights, it could be about anything. The council would be a group of people elected by the community to take charge of things around here and keep things active. They wouldn't serve as a replacement for ninjas or employees, but as an additional group of people volunteering their time to the community. I also think it would be nice to make new members feel welcome and that is also something they could help with. The hardest part of having mew people somewhere is making them want to stay. I've learned that the best way to make a new group of people feel welcome is by immediately getting them involved in activities surrounded by friendly and welcoming people. As for the titles, they were just an idea. I just wanted a way to.hold people accountable but if people don't like the idea then that's ok. Again, this is all just a suggestion. [/quote]As with any idea on this site, people always pick holes and find ways to turn a positive thing into a negative. It sure puts me off from posting ideas in this forum. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=52665053]This thread is a prime example of that[/url] and it was the last suggestion I posted.. I think. Of course, all ideas have bad strings attached, loads of things on this site could 'abused' and 'hacked' but if it encourages activity and new members then it must be a good idea.. right?[/quote] Yeah, you're right. Well, I wasn't trying to upset people so sorry if I did. I was only trying to suggest something I think would benefit us as a community. I'm sorry if some of you disagree with it, but I really do think this is a good idea. I hope that one day someone really does get something like this moving and I hope I'll see a Bungiecon, or something like it, someday.

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  • A bit off topic, eh? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Telec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Coxx153[/quote]Change your avatar. Like, now.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChorrizoTapatio Ok, I can see that I didn't express my idea very clearly. Sorry for that. The purpose of this, or at least the one I think would be cool, is to organize things within the community. It's not just about gamenights, it could be about anything. The council would be a group of people elected by the community to take charge of things around here and keep things active. They wouldn't serve as a replacement for ninjas or employees, but as an additional group of people volunteering their time to the community. I also think it would be nice to make new members feel welcome and that is also something they could help with. The hardest part of having mew people somewhere is making them want to stay. I've learned that the best way to make a new group of people feel welcome is by immediately getting them involved in activities surrounded by friendly and welcoming people. As for the titles, they were just an idea. I just wanted a way to.hold people accountable but if people don't like the idea then that's ok. Again, this is all just a suggestion. [/quote]As with any idea on this site, people always pick holes and find ways to turn a positive thing into a negative. It sure puts me off from posting ideas in this forum. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=52665053]This thread is a prime example of that[/url] and it was the last suggestion I posted.. I think. Of course, all ideas have bad strings attached, loads of things on this site could 'abused' and 'hacked' but if it encourages activity and new members then it must be a good idea.. right?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Coxx153 Precisely what YANW is for[/quote]Oh please. This community council is predicated upon the election of whichever people are arbitrarily designated by the community. YANW sidesteps all the bureaucracy. p.s. - Change your avatar. Like, now. [Edited on 11.27.2012 4:07 PM PST]

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  • Precisely what YANW is for.

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  • Sure, why not?

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  • I tried following this but it made my brain hurt trying to figure out why we would do it.

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  • So basically a popularity contest? That isn't going to descend into a flame war at all.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primo84 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChorrizoTapatio [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primo84 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChorrizoTapatio That's the big thing, though. The main focus of this council could be to make the new members feel welcome. The best way to make someone feel welcome is to immediately involve them in the group's activites. This is what I would like the council to accomplish.[/quote]What group? What activities?[/quote] In this case, the group is the community. I meant group as in a group of people, not a group on b.net.[/quote]So you'd want a community-sanctioned welcome committee? What would its responsibilities be? I mean, you say to involve them in community activities, but there's literally nothing stopping them from doing that themselves. [/quote] Perhaps some new features will expand the possibilities once Bungie.Next comes out.

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  • Ok, I can see that I didn't express my idea very clearly. Sorry for that. The purpose of this, or at least the one I think would be cool, is to organize things within the community. It's not just about gamenights, it could be about anything. The council would be a group of people elected by the community to take charge of things around here and keep things active. They wouldn't serve as a replacement for ninjas or employees, but as an additional group of people volunteering their time to the community. I also think it would be nice to make new members feel welcome and that is also something they could help with. The hardest part of having mew people somewhere is making them want to stay. I've learned that the best way to make a new group of people feel welcome is by immediately getting them involved in activities surrounded by friendly and welcoming people. As for the titles, they were just an idea. I just wanted a way to.hold people accountable but if people don't like the idea then that's ok. Again, this is all just a suggestion.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 Sure, people could easily meet up without having a council, but without some kind of sturdy structure, not one would turn up.[/quote]I suppose I just don't understand how a poll in the community forum constitutes creating a sturdy structure.[quote] I actually suggested that the council could do more website based things, not meet ups or gamenights. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76040417&postRepeater1-p=1#76040855][Please refer to my first post][/url].[/quote]But everything in that post is already being done by Bungie's Beta Survey deal. People answer survey questions. They have website testers, such as Deej as he has admitted to in the past. We have the Community forum to suggest ideas and provide feedback on everything, and the people chosen for the more selective programs via the Beta Survey option give feedback on that, and we all filled in a relevant questionnaire. I'm not hating the idea of the first post, but I just don't see its purpose.[/quote]I don't think i've seen much action happen via this forum. Maybe in this 'new hawtness' but for now.. nothing. Sure the site that I 'council' on has paid testers and stuff, but in the end who is it going to impact? Some bloke who tests sites for a living or its community? I'm not saying that the web team never listens - I know they do becuase Achronos has said that quite a few times. However, my point is that a Community Council could be beneficial to Bungie.net. -Council Members could play a role like the Xbox Live Ambassadors do. -They could Test Features -Give feedback on the site -Put forward features from the community and discuss the idea with the webteam -The Council Members don't need any special titles or colours at all, just a tiny badge somewhere on their profile.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrandmasterNinja You need a ninja?[/quote]I almost tried to upvote this.

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