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11/9/2012 12:22:06 PM
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Halo 4 went way off topic

Yeah this probably isn't the best place to talk about halo 4 since its no longer from bungie but since they started it i feel its appropriate. Elites joined back with covenant and no more brutes i can live with. But now there are promethains and a promethain leader that has been locked up and that the mastercheif is the "chosen one" and gets special powers because he is the only one that can defeat him. Cortana has gone crazy and is basically dead, not to mention there wasnt even a single trace of good old flood at any point ( which i feel really makes halo good). And there is only one time they really bring up a halo ring even with the whole game being focused on the forerunners, I just think 343 went a little to far off of the original topic and added a ton of emotion to the game. Good game, bad story.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka Maybe the Composer is the Organon? O_O na, idk..[/quote] Interesting... this needs further investigation. The Didact outright denied it's existence to Bornstellar. Maybe he was lying to cover up the truth that the Organon was real and that it was a Precurser weapon that he was in control of? [Edited on 11.09.2012 6:58 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka Oh yeah, that is true, Spartan ops does give the scenario a bit more purpose. I used to see it as a separate game, like ODST; an expansion that fleshes out the lore with its own little story, but maybe I should see it as a part of 4's arc? Hmm.. Furthermore, 4 does actually shed some light on a question that I totally forgot about. It answers whether the Great Journey was [i]real[/i] or not. So that's a [i]warranting factor[/i].[/quote] Spartan Ops will be bridging the gap between 4 and 5 so it comes under the overall arc of the trilogy. Apparently the Chief will be involved indirectly, so this means that he may have been permanently assigned to the Infinity and returned to Requiem. As well as the Great Journey Halo 4 also expands on the humans after they're de-evolution with the interesting twist that many of the Promethean Knights are composed humans. As well as this, the Composer is supposed to have the same symbols that appear in the Anniversary terminals with the crashed unidentified ship. I haven't checked but I read it somewhere. The scientist on the station makes note of them. Could mean that the Composer isn't a Forerunner creation entirely? Anyway, the point is the game isn't all that irrelevant. [/quote]Maybe the Composer is the Organon? O_O na, idk..

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka Oh yeah, that is true, Spartan ops does give the scenario a bit more purpose. I used to see it as a separate game, like ODST; an expansion that fleshes out the lore with its own little story, but maybe I should see it as a part of 4's arc? Hmm.. Furthermore, 4 does actually shed some light on a question that I totally forgot about. It answers whether the Great Journey was [i]real[/i] or not. So that's a [i]warranting factor[/i].[/quote] Spartan Ops will be bridging the gap between 4 and 5 so it comes under the overall arc of the trilogy. Apparently the Chief will be involved indirectly, so this means that he may have been permanently assigned to the Infinity and returned to Requiem. As well as the Great Journey Halo 4 also expands on the humans after they're de-evolution with the interesting twist that many of the Promethean Knights are composed humans. As well as this, the Composer is supposed to have the same symbols that appear in the Anniversary terminals with the crashed unidentified ship. I haven't checked but I read it somewhere. The scientist on the station makes note of them. Could mean that the Composer isn't a Forerunner creation entirely? Anyway, the point is the game isn't all that irrelevant.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv On the point of Requiem being a throwaway, remember that Spartan Ops will continue the Requiem side of things. The Promtheans are still there as are the Storm. Hopefully this will be used to flesh out these elements of the story. Already the Infinity has found a interesting Forerunner artifact. Check out the Episode 2 trailer.[/quote]Oh yeah, that is true, Spartan ops does give the scenario a bit more purpose. I used to see it as a separate game, like ODST; an expansion that fleshes out the lore with its own little story, but maybe I should see it as a part of 4's arc? Hmm.. Furthermore, 4 does actually shed some light on a question that I totally forgot about. It answers whether the Great Journey was [i]real[/i] or not. So that's a [i]warranting factor[/i]. [Edited on 11.09.2012 6:01 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka The game is filler, so that they can have three games.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv 343i are expanding the alot Universe, developing characters and generally making things more interesting. There is alot more to the Halo story than s the games and [u]Halo 4 is closely connected to both the Forerunner book series and the Kilo Five trilogy.[/u][/quote]What exactly happened in Halo 4 that was intricately interwoven with the books? Which of the age-old mysteries that we didn't already know about, did it reveal to us, other than the few questions it itself added?[/quote] [u]I said "closely connected". You said "intricately interwoven". There is a difference.[/b] Halo 4's plot is connected to the books in the sense that the books introduce most of the new elements that appear in Halo 4, Infinity, Spartan IVs, Storm Covenant, Didact and Librarian, Prometheans etc. The game is not filler. It is act 1, the exposition, of the story arc.[/quote][i]Filler[/i] is when one adds a new arc, only to have it [i]solved[/i] in the same [title], even though there are unresolved arcs. Halo 4 was about two things. One that inevitably would continue, and one that was completely new, I'd even say arguably unwarranted, since nothing foreshadowed it. The Cortana arc--which was the main focus of the game--was both resolved and arguably continued; depending on if she [i]died[/i] or not. It's a [i]have the cake and eat it[/i] scenario. The Didact arc was introduced in order to have an antagonist that could be defeated without the story being completely [i]resolved[/i], and he too--arguably--did not die. Cake? None of the major untied theads were were involved in the game. All it did was add an area and a villain. Requiem did not take the opportunity to become a part of the trilogy, it served no purpose other than to contain a villain that was introduced for this game. The composer wasn't even there. If Requiem fills any other purposes, it is not revealed. Halo 4 was no more than intrigue, it only involved [i]secondary[/i] plot beats, and some exposition on what happened in the Forerunner trilogy for those who only play the games. Even the details defining the Storm were left out from the main narative; the actual game, they were confined to the Terminals (didn't like it in 3 either, but at least it made sense there, seeing as Chief read actual Forerunner archives, opposed to random cinematics). Halo 4 utilized Halo 3's ending to open up a pretty much contained story arc. When it ended we're back in a situation that can go anywhere. The only difference now is that Chief has less [i]luggage[/i]. All the main threads are still untied. [b]Cortanas rampancy should have been left as an intrigue, not a reason to make an entire game[/b]. [b]Underlined:[/b]My bad. I assumed that the reason you brought it up was to make a point about how much more the they were connected to the game, than the previous books.. Which wouldn't be true since they don't do any [i]more[/i] than the old, so I reacted.[/quote] I see your point and to be honest I'm probably a little biased. If I hadn't read any of the books the game's plot might have been a little confusing and possibly disappointing, however I have followed the lore in detail so the story made more sense to me and I can see the potential and likely course of events more than someone who came into the game blind, as I'm sure is the same with you. On the point of Requiem being a throwaway, remember that Spartan Ops will continue the Requiem side of things. The Promtheans are still there as are the Storm. Hopefully this will be used to flesh out these elements of the story. Already the Infinity has found a interesting Forerunner artifact. Check out the Episode 2 trailer.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka The game is filler, so that they can have three games.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv 343i are expanding the alot Universe, developing characters and generally making things more interesting. There is alot more to the Halo story than s the games and [u]Halo 4 is closely connected to both the Forerunner book series and the Kilo Five trilogy.[/u][/quote]What exactly happened in Halo 4 that was intricately interwoven with the books? Which of the age-old mysteries that we didn't already know about, did it reveal to us, other than the few questions it itself added?[/quote] [u]I said "closely connected". You said "intricately interwoven". There is a difference.[/b] Halo 4's plot is connected to the books in the sense that the books introduce most of the new elements that appear in Halo 4, Infinity, Spartan IVs, Storm Covenant, Didact and Librarian, Prometheans etc. The game is not filler. It is act 1, the exposition, of the story arc.[/quote][i]Filler[/i] is when one adds a new arc, only to have it [i]solved[/i] in the same [title], even though there are unresolved arcs. Halo 4 was about two things. One that inevitably would continue, and one that was completely new, I'd even say arguably unwarranted, since nothing foreshadowed it. The Cortana arc--which was the main focus of the game--was both resolved and arguably continued; depending on if she [i]died[/i] or not. It's a [i]have the cake and eat it[/i] scenario. The Didact arc was introduced in order to have an antagonist that could be defeated without the story being completely [i]resolved[/i], and he too--arguably--did not die. Cake? None of the major untied theads were were involved in the game. All it did was add an area and a villain. Requiem did not take the opportunity to become a part of the trilogy, it served no purpose other than to contain a villain that was introduced for this game. The composer wasn't even there. If Requiem fills any other purposes, it is not revealed. Halo 4 was no more than intrigue, it only involved [i]secondary[/i] plot beats, and some exposition on what happened in the Forerunner trilogy for those who only play the games. Even the details defining the Storm were left out from the main narative; the actual game, they were confined to the Terminals (didn't like it in 3 either, but at least it made sense there, seeing as Chief read actual Forerunner archives, opposed to random cinematics). Halo 4 utilized Halo 3's ending to open up a pretty much contained story arc. When it ended we're back in a situation that can go anywhere. The only difference now is that Chief has less [i]luggage[/i]. All the main threads are still untied. [b]Cortanas rampancy should have been left as an intrigue, not a reason to make an entire game[/b]. [b]Underlined:[/b]My bad. I assumed that the reason you brought it up was to make a point about how much more the they were connected to the game, than the previous books.. Which wouldn't be true since they don't do any [i]more[/i] than the old, so I reacted. [Edited on 11.09.2012 5:29 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomsk A33 Is the MC supposed to have no eyes, or were we just not supposed to be able to see them?[/quote] No offence but that is a stupid question. Of course he has eyes. And to the guy who posted earlier syaing that the Didact wasn't a Promethean, yes he was. Prometheans were a group of elite Warrior-Servants in the Forerunner military, the special forces to use a modern day comparison. The Didact was the leader of this group. [Edited on 11.09.2012 4:29 PM PST]

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  • Is the MC supposed to have no eyes, or were we just not supposed to be able to see them?

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  • i agree with you :)

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  • i wanted the precusors instead of the half ass didact. I would of been happy if the campaign was actually fun and if the didact wasnt defeated so easily.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea The Elites are not "Covenant" in the traditional sense. They're a splinter faction that originates from Sanghelios. The Kilo-Five trilogy explains their origins. I'm glad the Flood are gone. So damn tired of them. The Forerunner novels written by Greg explain that Humanity was altered at the genetic level by the Librarian. What I DON'T understand is the Didact. Is he Bornstellar?? I thought Born was all chummy and friendly with Humans? Wasn't he traveling with Chakas and Riser? Why does the Librarian suddenly think him a monster? Really hoping Silentium will clear things up, or I'll have to read Cryptum and Prim more closely.[/quote] The Didact in halo 4 was the Ur-Didact, the original. The master builder didn't execute him like we previously thought. Which means it was Bornstellar that fired the rings and was the one mentioned in the terminals.

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BansheeBomb The Covenant in Halo 4 are a break-off faction called the Storm.[/quote] And what even hints at that? The only information we have on them, which is from the Waypoint site, strongly hints at a fully reformed Neo-Covenant simply operating under a different nomenclature.[/quote] It's not in Halo 4 at all, it's in The Thursday War.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BansheeBomb The Covenant in Halo 4 are a break-off faction called the Storm.[/quote] And what even hints at that? The only information we have on them, which is from the Waypoint site, strongly hints at a fully reformed Neo-Covenant simply operating under a different nomenclature.

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  • Know what you're talking about so you don't sound like an idiot. The Covenant in Halo 4 are a break-off faction called the Storm. The Didact was a Forerunner not a Promethean, and the Promethean Knights were trying to keep Chief away from the Didact.

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  • If you have not, read The Thursday War. It's a pretty good book on its own and it contains a LOT of information that sets up the exposition of Halo 4. It also explains Jul 'Mdama and the Storm faction. The Storm faction was a splinter section of the Covenant that was relatively forgotten upon the Covenant's collapse due to the Great Schism. A quick explanation of why Jul 'Mdama seeks the Didact and is at Requiem is because he simply wants vengeance for what humanity does in The Thursday War. Definitely give it a read. It's a good book that's worth the time, I promise!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka The game is filler, so that they can have three games.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv 343i are expanding the alot Universe, developing characters and generally making things more interesting. There is alot more to the Halo story than s the games and [u]Halo 4 is closely connected to both the Forerunner book series and the Kilo Five trilogy.[/u][/quote]What exactly happened in Halo 4 that was intricately interwoven with the books? Which of the age-old mysteries that we didn't already know about, did it reveal to us, other than the few questions it itself added?[/quote] I said "closely connected". You said "intricately interwoven". There is a difference. Halo 4's plot is connected to the books in the sense that the books introduce most of the new elements that appear in Halo 4, Infinity, Spartan IVs, Storm Covenant, Didact and Librarian, Prometheans etc. The game is not filler. It is act 1, the exposition, of the story arc.

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  • The game is filler, so that they can have three games.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv 343i are expanding the alot Universe, developing characters and generally making things more interesting. There is alot more to the Halo story than s the games and [u]Halo 4 is closely connected to both the Forerunner book series and the Kilo Five trilogy.[/u][/quote]What exactly happened in Halo 4 that was intricately interwoven with the books? Which of the age-old mysteries that we didn't already know about, did it reveal to us, other than the few questions it itself added?[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea What I DON'T understand is the Didact. Is he Bornstellar?? I thought Born was all chummy and friendly with Humans? Wasn't he traveling with Chakas and Riser? Why does the Librarian suddenly think him a monster? Really hoping Silentium will clear things up, or I'll have to read Cryptum and Prim more closely.[/quote]The Didact in Halo 4 wasn't the Bornstellar Didact, it was the original (Ur). The synopsis of Silentium tells us that Ur was left on a Flood infested planet by the Master Builder. In Halo 4, the Librerian tells us--in short--that the Composer messed with Ur's mind, and that he now has discarded all the morality he once had. Bornstellar is probably still a good guy if he isn't dead. [Edited on 11.09.2012 7:26 AM PST]

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  • The Elites are not "Covenant" in the traditional sense. They're a splinter faction that originates from Sanghelios. The Kilo-Five trilogy explains their origins. I'm glad the Flood are gone. So damn tired of them. The Forerunner novels written by Greg explain that Humanity was altered at the genetic level by the Librarian. What I DON'T understand is the Didact. Is he Bornstellar?? I thought Born was all chummy and friendly with Humans? Wasn't he traveling with Chakas and Riser? Why does the Librarian suddenly think him a monster? Really hoping Silentium will clear things up, or I'll have to read Cryptum and Prim more closely.

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  • 343i are expanding the alot Universe, developing characters and generally making things more interesting. There is alot more to the Halo story than s the games and Halo 4 is closely connected to both the Forerunner book series and the Kilo Five trilogy. What did you want? A clone of the previous games and their plot structure? Fight Covies>Find Halo>Fight Flood>Blow something up>Big cliffhanger. No thanks, we've had three of those already.

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