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9/27/2012 1:33:40 AM
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Bnet... We need to talk.

First and foremost I want to be clear, that this thread is not designed to be accusatory, nor is it open season for other members to point fingers. The point of this thread is to encourage self-reflection, but even then I doubt my words will have a lasting effect on many of you. This is not a joke thread, there's no punch line, no dragons, only us discussing what has become of this place and what has become of the people within it. Firstly, let us identify the meaning or purpose behind this site... Bungie.net is a place where people from all backgrounds and all walks of life can gather and share in a common interest. We come here to engage and interact with one another, to discuss and learn from one another. We share in jokes and laughter, and sometimes we even suffer loss together. This site is designed to be an online gathering place for us to enjoy. Key word, ENJOY. It can be perceived as a hobby or interest, and as with any hobby or interest we engage in, we do it because its fun, we do it because we enjoy it. Though this hobby can sometimes prove troublesome, because it involves other people. People have opinions. And when you take such a wide variety of people from all different walks of life, you will no doubt have a wide spectrum of beliefs and opinions. So while you are to come to this place to find enjoyment, and to have interest in what goes on here, oddly enough the primary function function of this site is designed to have mass amounts of people interact. When this occurs with so many different people, members both new and old begin to clash. Anyone anywhere can find a person and for whatever reason make that person their enemy. Anyone can be found by someone seeking confrontation. Anyone can be targeted, and anyone can target. These certain events and occurrences put a damper or even ruin what is otherwise supposed to be an enjoyable visit to an online Community that people should truly invest no emotion in. I always say, never to take people on the Internet seriously. And you shouldn't. As well, you should never invest emotion in it as I just mentioned. There is no reason why you should care what people say or do here because it has no direct impact on your reality outside this place. But people still let things here get to them... Sometimes it gets to them and they leave the site while taking their emotionally charged state with them, others simply get emotional on here, while they're here, but are able to disconnect from their emotions and feelings here, because they've directly removed themselves from the equation. Which is great... Although both occurrences still have an issue, and that is when you return to this place that you are supposed to be enjoying, or using as one of your hobbies and interests, if you're finding yourself in conflict, it could potentially upset or ruin your outlook and feelings towards the purpose of this site. Now, is this an issue for many? Well to be honest, I'm not too sure how wide spread confrontation is here since day to day I only see a fraction of the content being posted. Though it is obvious enough with my frequent visits here, that people are clashing horns, finding reasons out of nowhere to argue, or to belittle one another. I see long-standing grudges between members still standing, and people constantly taking shots at certain members... And I began to wonder, "why?" I know this sounds cheesy as hell, but we as a Community should always stand united. We gather here under a single banner from our love for games and interest in Bungies future. I doubt if we all met in a room, we would pick childish fights or start messily little arguments out of anger or differentiating opinions. No, we'd probably shake hands and share stories... Which leads me to believe that this has nothing to do with people genuinely hating other people, or having a really strong invested vendetta against someone, since really and truly, how serious can the things we talk about and fight about be on a gaming forum? To honestly justify poor behavior and confrontation would be impossible here, but yet many of us still find reason to do so... I think it would be safe to assume a large percentage of people here have at one time or another found reason to poke fun at, childishly argue with, belittle or be cruel to, viciously insult, spoken ill of in secret, tried to turn others against, or mocked some person here... For what? Now I'm sure many of you recall a thread I made several weeks back entitled "I don't like you, I don't have to like you and your thread is stupid." Why did I make that particular thread that seemingly contradicts the theme of this thread? Call it a social experiment I suppose, as the message I was attempting to convey was part serious, part exaggeration, and in a Community where so many people clash horns, I wanted to see how many of you would admit to publicly announcing someone's ignorance and stupidity in what would be a semi-harsh manner, in the hopes that a bit of tough-love might make the person think twice next time... While nearly everyone in that thread thought doing so would be wrong, many of them were guilty of doing so before anyway, or they had done so afterwards. Essentially, it seems everyone was attempting to look like the sweet innocent angel... When really, majority of us aren't. We find reason to fight, sometimes we believe someone is stupid and wish to boldly or harshly call them out on it. Sometimes we don't agree with someone so we attack them, and not their opinion. Other times people will disagree and take it personally, which causes those people to harbor ill feelings towards one another... But no one knows why. So I tried thinking about it... I wondered if these attitudes were increasing recently, or had it always consistent? One idea was that the darkness could be driving people to create a form of stimulus in the shape of Internet-drama. They're bored, so people find confrontation to pass the time and entertain themselves. Historically, poor attitudes and bad-blood between members has always existed. So while the darkness may play a roll in declining behavior in some, it doesn't answer the question. So is it boredom in life? Is it wanting to create drama to entertain their uninteresting lives but using the safety of anonymity to their advantage? Or is it because some people just want to feel better or superior to others, so the judge and identify problems with others to appear better than them? The truth is, this problem isn't some epidemic we're in need of saving from... But lately I've paid closer attention to the many occurrences of poor or sour attitudes on here, and I started to wonder what drove some people to find reason to clash so harshly with others when we all pretty much come here for the same reason. Is there a fix to all this? Of course not. Though improvements can always be made... But why should you do anything differently? Well I'm not telling you to, but I for one have learned and continue to learn about this Community, what it means to me, and the purpose I wish for it to serve... I come here to talk to friends, and to sometimes debate. I come here to learn, and laugh and share. Have I been rude and ignorant before? Of course I have. Will I again? Probably, since I am human... Though I do my best to avoid trying to seek out confrontation, I avoid trying to hurt, put down or make fun of other people. I don't try to make enemies, and I could care less if someone hated my guts... Why all of this? Well because in doing this, I hope to make people's interactions with me more enjoyable, and I don't end up filling the forums with childish and petty arguments and strife. I see people clash and I know it's very much just a part of how we behave as humans, but I think people need to start stepping back and realizing how insignificant their qualms with other members here truly are... Discuss, debate, disagree, do it all. But don't turn it into something personal. Don't turn it into some vendetta or grudge, and don't target someone because you don't like the way they might sign their posts, or how much they might contribute. We're all here for the same reason, and we should be enjoying it, not spending our time here finding reason to create conflict. So I ask, after my extremely verbose rant, what do you think drives Members to fight with one another, or to pick on and hate one another when indifferences are so easy to ignore? And do you think it's simple to for one to practice a sort of corrected attitude of being more tolerable and respectful to people they may not be so fond of? If so, would this make the site an overall more enjoyable place?
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  • [quote]I don't agree with your opinion cause of X, Y, and Z. [/quote] This is criticism. [quote]Obvious troll, how DARE you say that about [insert topic here], I can't believe you could be so heartless. [/quote] This is NOT criticism and this is all I get whenever I post my opinions. And what's worse, I get lashed out by a majority of the posters so that when Moderation does come in, I'M branded the troll just because I don't agree with them. That's not fair, that's a completely flawed system that's only flawed because other posters expect me to automatically agree with them on a topic that's not allowed anyways. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 You are "allowed" to have whatever opinions you want. But by expressing your opinions, you are exposing yourself to criticism. That's other people's opinion about your opinion. And it's not limited to "this community". [/quote] [Edited on 09.27.2012 10:15 PM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ It's a double-edged sword. Gamers are a passionate bunch. That nova-hot enthusiasm enables them to build thriving communities that outlast the very games that sparked them alight. That same passion will provoke them to bouts of rage. I agree that respect for one another is crucial to harmony. I agree that not taking one's self (or others) too seriously is a gold-plated survival tactic. I do not, however, suffer from any delusions that everyone on this website will get along. We have forms of control in place to keep the hostilities to a dull roar. When they rise to a full roar, we react. I think the darkness has cultivated a sense of intimacy on this forum. The fair weather fans have wandered off, and left an iron core of old-schoolers to hold court with one another. That doesn't mean that our interactions will be perfect.[/quote] I began writing a post similar to this, but for necessity's sake, imma just quote.
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  • Think of the most tight-knit communities, much like a group of friends, humans are bound to have emotion that changes every day. It's passion
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  • Brevity is the soul of wit, yo.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 The problem I have with the community is that I'm not allowed to have a controversial opinion or I'm branded a troll/ignorant bigot. It really rubs me the wrong way when the majority of the community claims they want respect and openness, but only if everyone agrees with them. [/quote] You are "allowed" to have whatever opinions you want. But by expressing your opinions, you are exposing yourself to criticism. That's other people's opinion about your opinion. And it's not limited to "this community".
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spawn031 The plot thickens.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halcylon Wrong. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck It's called the Internet. And this is a website where people discuss stuff. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 What the hell is this -blam!-?[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] I don't like how ya'll do things right here. Makin' me read things all funny like. Just ain't right...
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  • Read the OP, it only takes a few minutes. Basic point: Be here and have fun, why bother others when it has no effect on you? Just be positive and interact that way. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ALI217 So, what are we meant to be discussing?[/quote]
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  • It is but an internet forum. A reflection of how people act in person. You have your separate groups of like-minded individuals, and these groups are often represented by the loudest person, whether they are like all the others or not.
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    The plot thickens.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halcylon Wrong. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck It's called the Internet. And this is a website where people discuss stuff. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 What the hell is this -blam!-?[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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  • Wrong. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck It's called the Internet. And this is a website where people discuss stuff. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 What the hell is this -blam!-?[/quote][/quote]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] John McGhee 1975 [/quote] It's DeeJ's PE coach! Can't believe I still remember this from that one Ride Along. >.> Which reminds me....we need more Ride Alongs. [Edited on 09.27.2012 6:49 PM PDT]
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  • I consider people on this site to be like family. In the sense that you cant pick your family but they are family none the less.
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  • The problem I have with the community is that I'm not allowed to have a controversial opinion or I'm branded a troll/ignorant bigot. It really rubs me the wrong way when the majority of the community claims they want respect and openness, but only if everyone agrees with them.
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  • I appreciate reading people's thoughts on this matter, but I have to be honest I would be a hypocrite if I said I didn't partake in the negativity at times. I consider myself a mature person (which I should be at 27 with a wife and a kid), but I still often succumb to pull of confrontation on forums and within the game. I would even like to say that I never start any fights, but that would also be untrue. My best guess as to why this happens is that deep down inside we believe that were not actually interacting with a person. I would not belittle or tea bag my friend out of hatred, because I know how it affects him. But when I see an avatar of a person, or read comments followed by some username, they just don't seem real. Or if they are "real", they are just some terrible person that is out to destroy my opinions/fun/whatever. They don't have a past, or real problems, or anything that is meaningful to me. And while I'm not overly enthusiastic about the "serious" or "deep" conversations on a game forum, I think it is helpful to have discussions like this from time to time so I can see that you all are actual people. The more "human" we are to each other, the easier it will be to co-exist in a fictional world.
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  • [quote]So I ask, after my extremely verbose rant, what do you think drives Members to fight with one another, or to pick on and hate one another when indifferences are so easy to ignore? And do you think it's simple to for one to practice a sort of corrected attitude of being more tolerable and respectful to people they may not be so fond of? If so, would this make the site an overall more enjoyable place? [/quote]Opinions are what cause fights. Yes, just ignore people you don't like. Maybe.
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  • Eh, not the nicest thing to read. Just ignore the conflicts and the ninjas can sort the rule breakers out. That way we're left with people who don't cause conflicts.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] teh Chaz Please take the internet more seriously[/quote][i]I'm afraid we can't do that, Chaz.[/i] But anyway, I'll get round to properly reading that OP soon...
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  • I agree. however it will always be impossible to have everyone unite together, there are simply to many different types of people as you have stated.
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  • interesting dialogue. this resonated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frag Ingot Sounds like your talking about family. In a way we are a family. And with all families, there is a dynamic that binds us together. It is this dynamic that can cause friction between nodes. The advice I can offer is, when you see something negative, contribute something positive, and [i]hope[/i] for the best. [/quote] this thread does remind me of the forming-storming-norming-performing stages that groups of humans naturally go through. the Community should, by now be somewhere where the 'nuts and bolts' get discussed this way. trouble is, what are we all trying to achieve together except just passing time...waiting. perhaps it's just the way we keep the [i]hope[/i] alive.
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  • At least we're not solving our differences like Charles Manson does...
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Helveck So I ask, after my extremely verbose rant, what do you think drives Members to fight with one another, or to pick on and hate one another when indifferences are so easy to ignore? And do you think it's simple to for one to practice a sort of corrected attitude of being more tolerable and respectful to people they may not be so fond of? If so, would this make the site an overall more enjoyable place?[/quote]Great read. I was going and going, thinking when is it going to end, scrolling to the next paragraph seeing no end in sight, when this happens I usually just skip it and post based on what I think the person is talking about, but with your post, I generally seemed interested and kept reading. Kudos. [quote]when indifferences are so easy to ignore[/quote]This is not true. People cling and make their differences known, and known, and known. They let their opinions on anything and everything known, and they'll take the stance to an extreme just to be heard. These people are not easy to ignore, sometimes you just have to respond. Most of these people are trolling. I try to stay away from personal attacks. I take issue with their stances, not on their character, or anything about them really. I have noticed that people take issue with these other things and things carry over to other threads or PMs. I've done it in my early days here. I regret it. I believe it is easy to practice a corrected behaviour, I do. But it's harder when there are such LOUD personalities here (most belonging to trolls).
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  • Personally, I think it's in part due to the anonymity that the internet grants. The feeling of safetly and detachment makes people impulsive, more likely to voice their negative opinions of something or someone - because they can't see the person behind the words, and vice versa. I would reckon that the vast, vast majority of people here wouldn't act like this in person - but the very nature of the communication leads to altered behaviour. That, and the fact that a lot people are inherantly quite childish - always wanting to be right and to have the last word. In a non-internet conversation, if the topic hits such a block, the topic may be changed. On a forum, the topic is clearly defined - deviation is frowned upon, as such it begins to stagnate and these petty clashes of opinion and one-upmanship become far more prevelant.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LnP DeLpHiuS Sorry I'm late. China called...[/quote] Im really disappointed it took until page 3 until I saw this.
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  • Please take the internet more seriously
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  • I enjoy the site. You almost make it seem like there is just constant flame wars and trolling all the time... oh my, you speak the truth.
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  • That's because we are a crazy bunch of fools, to tell the truth I wouldn't have it any other way. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] T1d3 DeeJ says those who remain are the Iron Core. For some reason that made me feel good, like I belong to some weird cult. A cult that can't agree on anything or what we follow. [/quote]
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