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9/8/2012 11:29:17 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but I have some Halo cannon questions.

Note: I'll re-post this in the Reach thread if needed. It's mostly multiplayer talk over there. If I remember correctly from "The Fall of Reach" book, Master Chief was testing out his new power armor when he first got word that Reach was under attack. George was a Spartan II. We all know from the part from the Halo: Reach game when Halsey asks George what he did to her armor, that Halsey must have given George that very armor sometime in the past when he was still under Halsey. My question is: Why did it take so long for Master Chief and the rest of the Spartans to get their power armor, when George had his for quite a while? Is this just another cannon breaker from Reach? [Edited on 09.08.2012 3:30 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frisky Cole Jorge might of been a test dummy. A proof of concept for an armor component that would work before being fielded. Or maybe in some cases slimmed down. As for Tech, honestly youll have to either go by the books or games. The books say that the Mark V had sheilds for the first time ,and in First Strike Fred finds a new weapon (BR55) for th first time. In Halo Wars Spartans have sheilds and in the opening scene the marines pinned behind the warthog use BR55s. So they contradict eachother[/quote] The Battle Rifle was fielded as an experimental weapon as far back as 2525.

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  • Jorge might of been a test dummy. A proof of concept for an armor component that would work before being fielded. Or maybe in some cases slimmed down. As for Tech, honestly youll have to either go by the books or games. The books say that the Mark V had sheilds for the first time ,and in First Strike Fred finds a new weapon (BR55) for th first time. In Halo Wars Spartans have sheilds and in the opening scene the marines pinned behind the warthog use BR55s. So they contradict eachother

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552. [/quote] I actually quite like this change (if what you claim is actually true, it looks rather like the Halo 3 Armor description typo). It does not make sense to field a MJOLNIR iteration and then retire it for a new one in the space of 4 or so months. Even if it Mark V was literally just Mark IV with smaller fusion packs and Shields, it should have been used for years, not months.[/quote] It was basically Mark IV with shields. I don't think they were planning on fielding that until later (when MC gets his Mark VI) but due to the operation being presented they may have rushed it through prototyping on the previous armor variant and just issued it the Mark V designation. Even then, the only reason Mark VI exists is because of the significant changes to the mechanics and design of the armor for Halo 2.[/quote] This is what I'm saying. My hypothesised timeline is this. 2525: MJOLNIR MK IV issued on Chi Ceti, it is an early "proof of concept" model that has all the contained components we recognize now as MJOLNIR. 2531: New version released seen in Halo Wars, to Spartans being sent in Outer Colonies, hence why it looks brand new in cutscenes when it should be very banged up after 5 years of constant combat. 2534: Studies of Jackal Shield Gauntlets commenced by ONI to reproduce energy shield technology. 2541: *According to Halo wikia* Dr. Halsey begins work on Mk V, with many possible prototypes being produced and given to Spartan units for field testing. 2551: A working "beta" of the suit issued to NOBLE Team and the SPARTAN IIs issued November 24th, presumably to familiarize the commandos with the final product. NOBLE is given special access to indev hardware including the prototype energy shielding, not yet perfected in the Mk V. August 2552: John 117 tests out the "final" product of the Mk V project, including the new energy shields and AI port. This final version has removed many software bugs leading to "hundreds of minor technical improvements" However, this version has been rushed out by HIGHCOM for Operation "Red Flag" and Halsey being Halsey quickly allocates resources and sends designs for futher, un added improvements, so Seongnam on Earth, knowing her lab will soon be destroyed on Reach. October 2552: The "Mark VI" is issued to all surviving SPARTAN II Commandos. In reality this is just the culmination of the Mjolnir "Black" armor developed in Hiroshima, and the Mark V improvements like shielding and the AI interface. Mark VI is in reality a more polished, complete Mark V, including an in helmet zoom, reentry capability, and automated biofoam manufaturers and injectors. Stuff that Halsey couldn't put in at the last minute. [/quote] TBH I still don't consider NOBLE canon, but that's me. And Halo Wars doesn't really fit into established canon when it comes to tech, since in order for an RTS to have any form of a tech tree they need to be able to advance the tech, hence why we see Spartan Lasers, shields, etc. None of that is technically canonical in its use there. [Edited on 09.13.2012 1:16 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE The armor issued to Noble Team was a prototype, the first version of Mark V if you could say. It was the same armor issued to all the available Spartan II Commandos (note the word available). John actually tested the second version of the armor, the one that sported an AI piggyback ride function. It's like, an Xbox 360 and an Xbox 360 Slim. [/quote] Were both of these versions Personal Shield capable?[/quote] Yes, only difference was that one didn't have the AI piggyback ride function and the appearance of the armor.[/quote] So shield functional MJOLNIR was active for at least 14 months prior to Reach? This makes me feel better about all this.

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    This will be a good place to begin. - - old

    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo I'm surprised cannons are still relevant in 2552.[/quote]That's because [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=74617787]you're not a student of history[/url].

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 NOBLE teams armor was a different variant.[/quote] Actually if you pay attention to the book cover of [url=http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2008/10/halocole.png]Halo: The cole protocol[/url], you can notice that Gray Team also use the MArk IV variant, which is pretty similar to Noble six armor.[/quote] cover art is hardly canon.[/quote] Yeah, otherwise [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/4/42/Mjolnir_Mark_V-transparent.png]This[/url] would be the same as [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/a/ab/Mjolnir_MkIV.png]this[/url] or [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/8/83/John117FOReach.png]this[/url]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 NOBLE teams armor was a different variant.[/quote] Actually if you pay attention to the book cover of [url=http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2008/10/halocole.png]Halo: The cole protocol[/url], you can notice that Gray Team also use the MArk IV variant, which is pretty similar to Noble six armor.[/quote] cover art is hardly canon.[/quote] This. I've said it a quadrillion times: it's artwork, it doesn't [i]need[/i] to be canonically accurate. Lots of books have cover art which doesn't reflect the canonical aesthetic representation of things. Take the Wordsworth Edition of Dracula as an example, Dracula on the cover looks absolutely nothing like the way he's described in the book. Cover art is an artistic liberty, a means of catching the reader's eye. [Edited on 09.09.2012 11:29 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 NOBLE teams armor was a different variant.[/quote] Actually if you pay attention to the book cover of [url=http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2008/10/halocole.png]Halo: The cole protocol[/url], you can notice that Gray Team also use the MArk IV variant, which is pretty similar to Noble six armor.[/quote] cover art is hardly canon.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE The armor issued to Noble Team was a prototype, the first version of Mark V if you could say. It was the same armor issued to all the available Spartan II Commandos (note the word available). John actually tested the second version of the armor, the one that sported an AI piggyback ride function. It's like, an Xbox 360 and an Xbox 360 Slim. [/quote] Were both of these versions Personal Shield capable?[/quote] Yes, only difference was that one didn't have the AI piggyback ride function and the appearance of the armor.

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  • I though NOBLE team got the [B] Variant and chief got the first class.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE The armor issued to Noble Team was a prototype, the first version of Mark V if you could say. It was the same armor issued to all the available Spartan II Commandos (note the word available). John actually tested the second version of the armor, the one that sported an AI piggyback ride function. It's like, an Xbox 360 and an Xbox 360 Slim. [/quote] Were both of these versions Personal Shield capable?

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  • The armor issued to Noble Team was a prototype, the first version of Mark V if you could say. It was the same armor issued to all the available Spartan II Commandos (note the word available). John actually tested the second version of the armor, the one that sported an AI piggyback ride function. It's like, an Xbox 360 and an Xbox 360 Slim.

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  • I'm sorry, I'm sticking to my guns on this. If Mark V is just a shielded Mark IV Chassis then it should have been a variant, not a successor system. 25 years of service with the Mark IV and 4 months of deployment with the Mark V. Shielding should have been introduced years earlier than it was. You can't spend 25 years trying to crack personal shields, then claim to produce a superior system in 4 months. It doesn't make sense to me, although I have this creeping feeling that this particular issue accurately parallels real world Military R&D. [Edited on 09.09.2012 12:07 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552. [/quote] According to the wiki, 2542 is when production began.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 NOBLE teams armor was a different variant.[/quote] Actually if you pay attention to the book cover of [url=http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2008/10/halocole.png]Halo: The cole protocol[/url], you can notice that Gray Team also use the MArk IV variant, which is pretty similar to Noble six armor. [Edited on 09.08.2012 10:07 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo I'm surprised cannons are still relevant in 2552.[/quote] Well arrows are useless these days but we use them to point to things still, maybe we will use cannons as pointers in 500 years and change. [Edited on 09.08.2012 9:52 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552. [/quote] I actually quite like this change (if what you claim is actually true, it looks rather like the Halo 3 Armor description typo). It does not make sense to field a MJOLNIR iteration and then retire it for a new one in the space of 4 or so months. Even if it Mark V was literally just Mark IV with smaller fusion packs and Shields, it should have been used for years, not months.[/quote] It was basically Mark IV with shields. I don't think they were planning on fielding that until later (when MC gets his Mark VI) but due to the operation being presented they may have rushed it through prototyping on the previous armor variant and just issued it the Mark V designation. Even then, the only reason Mark VI exists is because of the significant changes to the mechanics and design of the armor for Halo 2.[/quote] This is what I'm saying. My hypothesised timeline is this. 2525: MJOLNIR MK IV issued on Chi Ceti, it is an early "proof of concept" model that has all the contained components we recognize now as MJOLNIR. 2531: New version released seen in Halo Wars, to Spartans being sent in Outer Colonies, hence why it looks brand new in cutscenes when it should be very banged up after 5 years of constant combat. 2534: Studies of Jackal Shield Gauntlets commenced by ONI to reproduce energy shield technology. 2541: *According to Halo wikia* Dr. Halsey begins work on Mk V, with many possible prototypes being produced and given to Spartan units for field testing. 2551: A working "beta" of the suit issued to NOBLE Team and the SPARTAN IIs issued November 24th, presumably to familiarize the commandos with the final product. NOBLE is given special access to indev hardware including the prototype energy shielding, not yet perfected in the Mk V. August 2552: John 117 tests out the "final" product of the Mk V project, including the new energy shields and AI port. This final version has removed many software bugs leading to "hundreds of minor technical improvements" However, this version has been rushed out by HIGHCOM for Operation "Red Flag" and Halsey being Halsey quickly allocates resources and sends designs for futher, un added improvements, so Seongnam on Earth, knowing her lab will soon be destroyed on Reach. October 2552: The "Mark VI" is issued to all surviving SPARTAN II Commandos. In reality this is just the culmination of the Mjolnir "Black" armor developed in Hiroshima, and the Mark V improvements like shielding and the AI interface. Mark VI is in reality a more polished, complete Mark V, including an in helmet zoom, reentry capability, and automated biofoam manufaturers and injectors. Stuff that Halsey couldn't put in at the last minute.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo I'm surprised cannons are still relevant in 2552.[/quote][url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M68_Asynchronous_Linear-Induction_Motor]Yeah man, me too.[/url]

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  • I'm surprised cannons are still relevant in 2552.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. [/quote] Yes the game trumped the book in canon, the book was re-released with cannon tweaks.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552. [/quote] I actually quite like this change (if what you claim is actually true, it looks rather like the Halo 3 Armor description typo). It does not make sense to field a MJOLNIR iteration and then retire it for a new one in the space of 4 or so months. Even if it Mark V was literally just Mark IV with smaller fusion packs and Shields, it should have been used for years, not months.[/quote] It was basically Mark IV with shields. I don't think they were planning on fielding that until later (when MC gets his Mark VI) but due to the operation being presented they may have rushed it through prototyping on the previous armor variant and just issued it the Mark V designation. Even then, the only reason Mark VI exists is because of the significant changes to the mechanics and design of the armor for Halo 2.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552. [/quote] I actually quite like this change (if what you claim is actually true, it looks rather like the Halo 3 Armor description typo). It does not make sense to field a MJOLNIR iteration and then retire it for a new one in the space of 4 or so months. Even if it Mark V was literally just Mark IV with smaller fusion packs and Shields, it should have been used for years, not months.

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  • From what I've gathered it was a canon change. Now, MJOLNIR MK V was issued in 2542, not 2552, and the shielded variants that Noble Team had were issued in 2551 as ONI's experimental models, with the finished product with the combined and perfected shields as well as AI port being tested by Chief in 2552.

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  • NOBLE Team members were issued different MJOLNIR variants than those being tested by John during the Fall of Reach.

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  • I'd imagine they were busy fighting, the only reason they were recalled to Reach was for RED FLAG. Also, I'm pretty sure Jorge's armor was literally pre-modified Mark IV that had shields added. [Edited on 09.08.2012 5:13 PM PDT]

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  • NOBLE teams armor was a different variant.

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