[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog Enough with Elites vs. Orcs. It's Spartan vs. Space Marine. It's the Spartan's day. William would have been bold enough to take them in hand-to-hand combat, even if he would have lost. He was probably the bravest, next to John. Linda would not have had any problem at all, give her a M99 and she'll take out every single one. She sniped a banshee two miles away upside down, while holding a sniper rifle with [i]one arm.[/i][/quote] Ugh, do you have to make me hate you even more each day? Let's see... Linda's weapons are not capable of puncturing a Space Marine's armor, first of all. Second, in close quarters combat, the Space Marine is stronger, more durable, and probably agile than any Spartan, armored or not. [quote] John would have the sharpest mind to kill them off, easily and efficiently. Fred would have difficulty, as I think a knife may have been a [i]little[/i] difficulty getting through the space marine's armor, even if they are laser-sharpened. [/quote] Oh God, do you even do research? Monomolecular (read, MONOMOLECULAR) blades are inefficient against Adeptus Astartes power armor, so what damn chance will normal knives have? Nothing. [quote] Jorge...could take them [i]all[/i] on with a butter knife.[/quote] Jorge is weaker than ANY Space Marine. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:22 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] teekuppi Sorry but I have to say this, the warriors in that pic you posted arent space marines. They are Adeptus custodes wearing terminator armor. Little like SM's, but simply in everyway superior. [url=http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/48/Black_Templar_Art.jpg]Who really can say that these arent cool?[/url][/quote] I mean come on? Seriously? Is this what pissed off Christian's will look like in the future?[/quote] IS THIS WHAT PISSED OFF CHRISTIANS WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE!?!?!? ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION!![/quote] ANSWER THIS GOD DAMN QUESTION!!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor,[/quote] And? [quote] they can see in dark very damn well, [/quote] Kas, from Prospero Burns, only saw blackness with his normal eye, but saw everything in a green hue. So, Space Marines can do so as well. [quote] have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. [/quote] And Adeptus Astartes don't? [quote] Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded.[/quote] Except a Space Marine is very fast, agile, impressive, and intelligent. I would laugh if you suggested that a Spartan looked any better than Space Marine. [quote] Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. [/quote] Prove it. And even if you can, you still have the problem of the fact that Space Marie conventional weapons (read, conventional) can gut a Spartan in second. Also, plasma swords are not standard. [quote] More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor.[/quote] Oooh no, how scary- Do learn what you're talking about. That same titanium-alloy (ALLOY, not ALLY, Jesus) is damaged by low kilojoule Covenant plasma weapons. Adeptus Astartes power armor, on the other hand, can tank Tau single plasma rifle shots without much damage, which are capable of vaporizing a human torso. Giving it 50 megajoules of energy, I get a yield powerful enough to melt 44 kilograms of titanium. [quote] With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters [/quote] Impressive, but inferior. [quote]With a cry that rose from my stomach, I leapt into the air, reaching out with one hand above my head. I felt my fingers clasp the top lip of the stone, and I pulled, yanking my body up the rock face and flipping my legs over my head in a smooth arc. The ruddy, red light burst all around me as I cleared the rock-line and landed on top of the sandstone pavement. Instantly, my eyes scanned the sky and identified the distant, descending form of the gunship. Keeping my gaze fixed on the vessel, I started to run again, jumping and springing automatically over the wide cracks and crevices in the sloping ground. I made that jump like it was nothing. The thought tumbled about my head as I ran, distracting me and jabbing me with its significance. That rock was more than twice my height. My skin still tingled with an unrealised power. I could have gone higher. [/quote] Space Marines are normally 2.5 meters tall, so he jumped 5 meters, and he could have jumped higher. [quote] 40KPH easily,[/quote] Again, nothing special. [quote]Pausing, I looked back over my shoulder at the diminishing image of the cliff-face behind me, with the storm wall rolling towards it. By my own calculations, I had walked about fifteen kilometres in twenty minutes, through a frozen desert in arctic temperatures, and yet I was not even breathing hard. [/quote] He was going at 45 km/h, and that was mere walking pace for him. [quote] withstand falls from orbit and be alive,[/quote] Again. [quote]A narrow channel had been blown through the sand; it started in a crater about two hundred metres away and ended at my feet. From the look of it, it had been made by the impact and slide of a fast-moving, solid body. Perhaps it was the impact scar of a meteor. Or perhaps the signature of my own arrival on this planet?[/quote] [quote] gel embedded in the armor for cushion, [/quote] Once again... [quote]The only vital part of a Space Marine not protected by his black carapace was his head. Hearts, lungs, stomach, chest, all were impervious to any unarmed blow from even the strongest assailant.[/quote] They also have drugs in their armor to help them in combat. [quote] it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] See my earlier quote. And Space Marines have much more durable bones, too. Some extra stuff; in Horus Rising, lightning bolts with the strength of penetrator rounds (anti tank weapons) hit Space Marines and this gets a laugh out of them. In Angels of Darkness, armored Space Marines are stated of being able of punching through tank armor. Space Wolf has Wolf Lord Ragnar open the sealed hatch tank of a Predator tank. Warriors of Ultramar has Learchus pick up a truck, walk with it, and place it elsewhere. There are more examples out there. [quote] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] It's quite the other way around actually. The Space Marine is superior in every way to even a Spartan containing the best strengths of the strongest Spartans in the UNSC. Fail.[/quote]

Space Marine No contest

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sacred Flea @old bad dog, okay read up on some fluff about marneus calgar, and mephiston. Then come back.[/quote] Yeah every time there's a thread like this I usually wonder how many of the people that valiantly defend Halo actually know anything about the universe they are arguing against. Particularly the guy up there that thinks Orks would run from anything, let alone Elites.[/quote] I'd never said they'd run, but the Grunts would [possibly] suicide. If anything, the Elites would run them on. Spartans win.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sacred Flea @old bad dog, okay read up on some fluff about marneus calgar, and mephiston. Then come back.[/quote] Yeah every time there's a thread like this I usually wonder how many of the people that valiantly defend Halo actually know anything about the universe they are arguing against. Particularly the guy up there that thinks Orks would run from anything, let alone Elites.

@old bad dog, okay read up on some fluff about marneus calgar, and mephiston. Then come back.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog Enough with Elites vs. Orcs. It's Spartan vs. Space Marine. It's the Spartan's day. William would have been bold enough to take them in hand-to-hand combat, even if he would have lost. He was probably the bravest, next to John. Linda would not have had any problem at all, give her a M99 and she'll take out every single one. She sniped a banshee two miles away upside down, while holding a sniper rifle with [i]one arm.[/i] John would have the sharpest mind to kill them off, easily and efficiently. Fred would have difficulty, as I think a knife may have been a [i]little[/i] difficulty getting through the space marine's armor, even if they are laser-sharpened. Jorge...could take them [i]all[/i] on with a butter knife.[/quote] I didn't want to say this in fear of having people try to grind me, but I'm behind him 100%.

Enough with Elites vs. Orcs. It's Spartan vs. Space Marine. It's the Spartan's day. William would have been bold enough to take them in hand-to-hand combat, even if he would have lost. He was probably the bravest, next to John. Linda would not have had any problem at all, give her a M99 and she'll take out every single one. She sniped a banshee two miles away upside down, while holding a sniper rifle with [i]one arm.[/i] John would have the sharpest mind to kill them off, easily and efficiently. Fred would have difficulty, as I think a knife may have been a [i]little[/i] difficulty getting through the space marine's armor, even if they are laser-sharpened. Jorge...could take them [i]all[/i] on with a butter knife.

the holy bolter would rip apart those who don't have faith in the God Emporer

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?[/quote] I.. am.. baffled. They could. It'd be really fun and very easy.[/quote] Even though it's quite likely the Orks control more planets than the Elites have ships? They are the most expansive group in the 40K universe. The only reason they haven't stomped all over everything else yet is because they are split into thousands of factions that fight among themselves. If the Elites win it's because the Orks were too busy fighting each other to care about them.[/quote] The Elites are BRUTAL and viscous in space battles....I imagine the Orcs would be much like Brutes...only dumber.... *Shipmaster they outnumber 50 to 1!* *Than it is an even fight!* *ALL SHIPS! BURN THERE MONGREL HIDES!!*

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?[/quote] I.. am.. baffled. They could. It'd be really fun and very easy.[/quote] Even though it's quite likely the Orks control more planets than the Elites have ships? They are the most expansive group in the 40K universe. The only reason they haven't stomped all over everything else yet is because they are split into thousands of factions that fight among themselves. If the Elites win it's because the Orks were too busy fighting each other to care about them.[/quote] I wouldn't say that with ships. Just one fleet of the Covenant's/Elite's is enough to make anyone literally -blam!- brix and run. They don't really need the numbers considering the technologically advanced ships they have.

Space Marine.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?[/quote] I.. am.. baffled. They could. It'd be really fun and very easy.[/quote] Even though it's quite likely the Orks control more planets than the Elites have ships? They are the most expansive group in the 40K universe. The only reason they haven't stomped all over everything else yet is because they are split into thousands of factions that fight among themselves. If the Elites win it's because the Orks were too busy fighting each other to care about them.

I have no idea

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ork]Orks[/url], I think they would win. After all they are almost unkillable thanks to their symbiotic relationship with fungus.[/quote] I'm sure the Elites wouldn't even waste time fighting them...they would just glass those retarded ass things from orbit....[/quote] Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?[/quote] I.. am.. baffled. They could. It'd be really fun and very easy.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ork]Orks[/url], I think they would win. After all they are almost unkillable thanks to their symbiotic relationship with fungus.[/quote] I'm sure the Elites wouldn't even waste time fighting them...they would just glass those retarded ass things from orbit....[/quote] Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?[/quote] Yes.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ork]Orks[/url], I think they would win. After all they are almost unkillable thanks to their symbiotic relationship with fungus.[/quote] I'm sure the Elites wouldn't even waste time fighting them...they would just glass those retarded ass things from orbit....[/quote] Considering Orks can travel through space, inhabit many worlds, and are known for clearing entire systems while on a Waaagh! Are the elites just going to glass every planet the Orks are on?

Fuff space marines would win. In game space marines, meh. But theyre augmetics are so much more extensive than a spartan, theyre not entirely human anymore. The only downside is shielding, but with a bolter and power armor, its no problem at all.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JewMallow You saying your brother designed the armor for the Space Marines? That's awesome. What an imagination he has.[/quote] My brother is an excellent Forger and he has a brilliant mind! At age 13 he is more mature than I am at 19! He could sure as hell come up with something more innovative and creative than that garbage![/quote] In all seriousness, I would love to meet your brother.[/quote] I'm sure you would, he is in all seriousness one of the most creative and bright minded people I have ever met...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ork]Orks[/url], I think they would win. After all they are almost unkillable thanks to their symbiotic relationship with fungus.[/quote] I'm sure the Elites wouldn't even waste time fighting them...they would just glass those retarded ass things from orbit....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JewMallow You saying your brother designed the armor for the Space Marines? That's awesome. What an imagination he has.[/quote] My brother is an excellent Forger and he has a brilliant mind! At age 13 he is more mature than I am at 19! He could sure as hell come up with something more innovative and creative than that garbage![/quote] In all seriousness, I would love to meet your brother.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazyCrackerJack [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazyCrackerJack [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 And put in suicidal, blood-raged Grunt's (lulz will emerge). Elite's are just as prevalent as Jackal's are and Brute's are on the harder side of missions. I'd really laugh of it were Grunt's running in on rage and suicidal into the fight. The SM would be like [i]What the hell is this?[/i] But, all in all, it'd be a very good fight. I'm still with the Spartan.[/quote] Still, answer my question regarding my name. Honestly the grunts would probably flee without their elite/brute leaders. And jackals are more prevelent. Game comes before books dude. At least to an extent. [/quote] I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] Funny thing is that I was arguing with that guy not to long ago. And my name actually is Rob. Definately, skill and honor before brutality. But the numbers would definately hinder the elites.[/quote] I don't know; go to (if you could) Sangheilios and see what they would do. Mi-bil- trillions.. okay, I don't know the amount, but it'd be cool. This was a fun debate and I'm still going Spartan. [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Program]This only helps me[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazyCrackerJack [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 And put in suicidal, blood-raged Grunt's (lulz will emerge). Elite's are just as prevalent as Jackal's are and Brute's are on the harder side of missions. I'd really laugh of it were Grunt's running in on rage and suicidal into the fight. The SM would be like [i]What the hell is this?[/i] But, all in all, it'd be a very good fight. I'm still with the Spartan.[/quote] Still, answer my question regarding my name. Honestly the grunts would probably flee without their elite/brute leaders. And jackals are more prevelent. Game comes before books dude. At least to an extent. [/quote] I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] From what I know of the Orcs, they're supposed to be stupid and weak as -blam!-, but with a lot of them. So Elites have: the strength, power, and tactical brilliance. Orcs have numbers. It'd probably be the Elites. Anyway, If a Spartan had the splazor, energy sword or M99 Stanchion Rifle (sniper rifle MAC) the Spartan II would likely have a chance to win (strong chance with the M99). But anything else, really the SM would win hands down. But again, I know little about 40K. I find it to be too stupid and over-indulgant with its rediculous numbers and statistics. And lulz were had at the Rob thing. [Edited on 01.28.2011 2:16 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I didn't know your name was Rob, I was referring to ROBERTO something-or-other. I don't think the Grunt's would flee; in all honesty, they'd probably blow up before they got anywhere. Now, the Elite's vs the Orcs. Elites.[/quote] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ork]Orks[/url], I think they would win. After all they are almost unkillable thanks to their symbiotic relationship with fungus.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JewMallow You saying your brother designed the armor for the Space Marines? That's awesome. What an imagination he has.[/quote] My brother is an excellent Forger and he has a brilliant mind! At age 13 he is more mature than I am at 19! He could sure as hell come up with something more innovative and creative than that garbage!