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Space Marine (Adeptus Astartes) vs Spartan II

If both were to face against each other with standard equipment, who would win?
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre Actually, they're races. Although the Chaos Changer Of Ways, Tzeench, is beyond a god. He can create, manipulate and destroy gods. Basically, the only reason he doesn't just erase existance in the 40K universe is because it amuses him.[/quote] You mean kinda like Yahweh?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 So, now it's just basically a tied match.[/quote] I would say a [i][b][u]very[/i][/b][/u] close match, but I still believe that a Space Marine would pull through due to his extensively augmented anatomy, physical and mental.[/quote] Don't think anyone's doubting the Marine would likely win against the Spartan. It'd be interesting as hell ('specially if the Spartan had the M99), but I'm still siding with the Marine UNLESS the Spartan, again, had the M99.[/quote] Actually, give me one place you'd shoot with an M99, and I can almost guaruntee the Space Marine would survive.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II.[/quote] This thread is about the Forerunners now!! No longer will the Halo-verse get trashed by the other Sci Fi universes![/quote] Ok, in that case I raise the Dark Eldar, Eldar and Chaos. Your argument is now, in fact, invalid.[/quote] Precursors move in. Both of them shoot each other. If my assumption these guys you listed are gods is correct, then we reach a paradox, making this fight impossible to conceive. (Precursors are invincible to all forces. Read Cryptum)[/quote] Actually, they're races. Although the Chaos Changer Of Ways, Tzeench, is beyond a god. He can create, manipulate and destroy gods. Basically, the only reason he doesn't just erase existance in the 40K universe is because it amuses him. [Edited on 01.28.2011 4:20 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 So, now it's just basically a tied match.[/quote] I would say a [i][b][u]very[/i][/b][/u] close match, but I still believe that a Space Marine would pull through due to his extensively augmented anatomy, physical and mental.[/quote] Don't think anyone's doubting the Marine would likely win against the Spartan. It'd be interesting as hell ('specially if the Spartan had the M99), but I'm still siding with the Marine UNLESS the Spartan, again, had the M99.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 So, now it's just basically a tied match.[/quote] I would say a [i][b][u]very[/i][/b][/u] close match, but I still believe that a Space Marine would pull through due to his extensively augmented anatomy, physical and mental.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II.[/quote] This thread is about the Forerunners now!! No longer will the Halo-verse get trashed by the other Sci Fi universes![/quote] Ok, in that case I raise the Dark Eldar, Eldar and Chaos. Your argument is now, in fact, invalid.[/quote] Precursors move in. Both of them shoot each other. If my assumption these guys you listed are gods is correct, then we reach a paradox, making this fight impossible to conceive. (Precursors are invincible to all forces. Read Cryptum) [Edited on 01.28.2011 4:17 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II.[/quote] This thread is about the Forerunners now!! No longer will the Halo-verse get trashed by the other Sci Fi universes![/quote] Ok, in that case I raise the Dark Eldar, Eldar and Chaos. Your argument is now, in fact, invalid.[/quote] I raise you the Precursors!!! Roberto explain to her!!!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II.[/quote] This thread is about the Forerunners now!! No longer will the Halo-verse get trashed by the other Sci Fi universes![/quote] Ok, in that case I raise the Dark Eldar, Eldar and Chaos. Your argument is now, in fact, invalid.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II.[/quote] This thread is about the Forerunners now!! No longer will the Halo-verse get trashed by the other Sci Fi universes!

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  • SPARTA!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre > they have an air purifier built-in to their armor, Space Marines can breath pretty much any airbourne substance, regardless of toxicity, even without armour. > they can see in dark very damn well, Ditto > have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. Ditto > Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. In this case, smaller isn't better. > I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded. Despite their bulk, Space Marines are incredibly fast due to their training, augmentations and enhanced servos within the power armour. > Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. This was a debate involving standard equipment. An energy sword isn't. > More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in Titanium-ally armor. All Space Marines are well above 6.5 feet, at least, and have armour of pure adamantium, the strongest substance know to man in the 41st Millenium. > With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters, Ditto >run up to 40KPH easily, Ditto > withstand falls from orbit and be alive, gel embedded in the armor for cushion and supreme reflexes (300% faster than any Marine) Okay, but what use is that in a fight? Also, see previous points. > Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs. Ditto Also, I'd like to point out that Space Marine psychic powers, enhanced anatomy ability and weapons aren't being taken into consideration, despite them being pretty much standard.[/quote] Wyld, thank you for not being a blatant dick to me like Frak. So, now it's just basically a tied match. @Frak, a small, faster round is easier to penetrate with than a larger one,. The M99's is smaller, faster, easier to crack the slits in armor and slice through. [Edited on 01.28.2011 4:13 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Yes Forerunner ground forces were capable of the same things.....[/quote] I want quotes, right now.[/quote] This is a basic Forerunner ground war. "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects-darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across continents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this-but the Didact had." Pg. 145

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee The Forerunners could travel in between dimensions....[/quote] ...And? Races in 40k do that normally. [quote] they could also stop galaxies from spinning....[/quote] Proof? [quote] and create black holes as well as ships made out of PURE LIGHT.... [/quote] Proof? [quote] as for that quote on their ground forces...here ya go...this is from Cryptum: "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti- nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this but the Didact had." [/quote] ... And where does it "ground weapons"? [/quote] DO YOU WANT ME TO POST THE ENTIRE F**KING BOOK!?!? GO READ BUY THE DAMN THING YOURSELF....everything I have said was in Cryptum... And technically the Forerunners don't even have ground forces....imagine EVERY soldier is in a Gundam-like suit and they fly around tear the crust off of planets. [Edited on 01.28.2011 4:12 PM PST]

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  • You are getting off the subject though. This is about [u][b]a[/b][/u] Space Marine and [u][b]a[/b][/u] Spartan II. [Edited on 01.28.2011 4:11 PM PST]

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee The Forerunners could travel in between dimensions....[/quote] ...And? Races in 40k do that normally. [quote] they could also stop galaxies from spinning....[/quote] Proof? [quote] and create black holes as well as ships made out of PURE LIGHT.... [/quote] Proof? [quote] as for that quote on their ground forces...here ya go...this is from Cryptum: "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti- nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this but the Didact had." [/quote] ... And where does it "ground weapons"? [/quote] It's called Halo: Cryptum. You should read it.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog This is why I dislike you. Note: Dislike, not hate. I said M99. In case you don't know, it's a MAC Cannon in rifle form, firing penetrating bullets faster and harder than supersonic UNSC aircraft - 500 years in the future. Pair that with Linda:[/quote] ...So? Bolters themselves have hundreds of kg*m/s of momentum, and they detonate, too. Let's look at the M99's specs, and using a theoretical mass of 3 grams, I get 337,500 joules of eK, and 45 kg*m/s of momentum. Not really better than a Bolter's kinetic energy and momentum. I also don't think it would puncture. [quote] Now give her the M99. Imagine how much damage she could do. [/quote] Not nearly enough. Weapons that can penetrate Imperial tanks can't penetrate Space Marine armor.[/quote] QFT

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee The Forerunners could travel in between dimensions....[/quote] ...And? Races in 40k do that normally. [quote] they could also stop galaxies from spinning....[/quote] Proof? [quote] and create black holes as well as ships made out of PURE LIGHT.... [/quote] Proof? [quote] as for that quote on their ground forces...here ya go...this is from Cryptum: "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti- nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this but the Didact had." [/quote] ... And where does it "ground weapons"?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog This is why I dislike you. Note: Dislike, not hate. I said M99. In case you don't know, it's a MAC Cannon in rifle form, firing penetrating bullets faster and harder than supersonic UNSC aircraft - 500 years in the future. Pair that with Linda:[/quote] ...So? Bolters themselves have hundreds of kg*m/s of momentum, and they detonate, too. Let's look at the M99's specs, and using a theoretical mass of 3 grams, I get 337,500 joules of eK, and 45 kg*m/s of momentum. Not really better than a Bolter's kinetic energy and momentum. I also don't think it would puncture. [quote] Now give her the M99. Imagine how much damage she could do. [/quote] Not nearly enough. Weapons that can penetrate Imperial tanks can't penetrate Space Marine armor.[/quote] Hey bro? I got you your quotes!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog This is why I dislike you. Note: Dislike, not hate. I said M99. In case you don't know, it's a MAC Cannon in rifle form, firing penetrating bullets faster and harder than supersonic UNSC aircraft - 500 years in the future. Pair that with Linda:[/quote] ...So? Bolters themselves have hundreds of kg*m/s of momentum, and they detonate, too. Let's look at the M99's specs, and using a theoretical mass of 3 grams, I get 337,500 joules of eK, and 45 kg*m/s of momentum. Not really better than a Bolter's kinetic energy and momentum. I also don't think it would puncture. [quote] Now give her the M99. Imagine how much damage she could do. [/quote] Not nearly enough. Weapons that can penetrate Imperial tanks can't penetrate Space Marine armor.

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  • Spartan II with the halo 1 pistol nothing can stop that not even A SM.

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  • > they have an air purifier built-in to their armor, Space Marines can breath pretty much any airbourne substance, regardless of toxicity, even without armour. > they can see in dark very damn well, Ditto > have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. Ditto > Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. In this case, smaller isn't better. > I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded. Despite their bulk, Space Marines are incredibly fast due to their training, augmentations and enhanced servos within the power armour. > Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. This was a debate involving standard equipment. An energy sword isn't. > More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in Titanium-ally armor. All Space Marines are well above 6.5 feet, at least, and have armour of pure adamantium, the strongest substance know to man in the 41st Millenium. > With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters, Ditto >run up to 40KPH easily, Ditto > withstand falls from orbit and be alive, gel embedded in the armor for cushion and supreme reflexes (300% faster than any Marine) Okay, but what use is that in a fight? Also, see previous points. > Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs. Ditto Also, I'd like to point out that Space Marine psychic powers, enhanced anatomy ability and weapons aren't being taken into consideration, despite them being pretty much standard. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:57 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee The Forerunners didn't spout non sense the Prophets did.[/quote] Of course not the Forerunners. They means the Covenant. They actually believed the Forerunners to be gods... Right, that just tells me they are really dumb. [quote] When Humanity tried to challenge the Forerunners they were DE EVOLVED back into apes.....only a select few were allowed remain as what we could call humans...that is why you don't f**k with the Forerunners....[/quote] Don't know how this matters, but... the Necrons killed planets, stars, and created black holes. They controlled entire galaxies, and were worshiped at least in 1,000 of them.[/quote] The Forerunners could travel in between dimensions....they could also stop galaxies from spinning.... and create black holes as well as ships made out of PURE LIGHT....as for that quote on their ground forces...here ya go...this is from Cryptum: "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti- nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this but the Didact had." [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:53 PM PST]

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  • What Dog posted is why I need t get the series back and in one piece.. that's why I couldn't find them, Frak: my puppy tore them up last winter. Old has this one. And Frak, the Forerunners can do all of that too, sending you even into the sun. For all we know, they could just EMP all life from a planet. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:53 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee The Forerunners didn't spout non sense the Prophets did.[/quote] Of course not the Forerunners. They means the Covenant. They actually believed the Forerunners to be gods... Right, that just tells me they are really dumb. [quote] When Humanity tried to challenge the Forerunners they were DE EVOLVED back into apes.....only a select few were allowed remain as what we could call humans...that is why you don't f**k with the Forerunners....[/quote] Don't know how this matters, but... the Necrons killed planets, stars, and created black holes. They controlled entire galaxies, and were worshiped at least in 1,000 of them.

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] old bad dog Enough with Elites vs. Orcs. It's Spartan vs. Space Marine. It's the Spartan's day. William would have been bold enough to take them in hand-to-hand combat, even if he would have lost. He was probably the bravest, next to John. Linda would not have had any problem at all, give her a M99 and she'll take out every single one. She sniped a banshee two miles away upside down, while holding a sniper rifle with [i]one arm.[/i][/quote] Ugh, do you have to make me hate you even more each day? Let's see... Linda's weapons are not capable of puncturing a Space Marine's armor, first of all. Second, in close quarters combat, the Space Marine is stronger, more durable, and probably agile than any Spartan, armored or not. [quote] John would have the sharpest mind to kill them off, easily and efficiently. Fred would have difficulty, as I think a knife may have been a [i]little[/i] difficulty getting through the space marine's armor, even if they are laser-sharpened. [/quote] Oh God, do you even do research? Monomolecular (read, MONOMOLECULAR) blades are inefficient against Adeptus Astartes power armor, so what damn chance will normal knives have? Nothing. [quote] Jorge...could take them [i]all[/i] on with a butter knife.[/quote] Jorge is weaker than ANY Space Marine. [/quote] This is why I dislike you. Note: Dislike, not hate. I said M99. In case you don't know, it's a MAC Cannon in rifle form, firing penetrating bullets faster and harder than supersonic UNSC aircraft - 500 years in the future. Pair that with Linda: 1. She was upside down, swinging by a wire with one leg. 2. She had an average sniper rifle, holding it with one arm. 3. She had here assist optics off, and was camouflaged. 4. Her target was a banshee, moving faster than any other Spartan could shoot it. 5. She destroyed it on her first shot. That's awesome. Now give her the M99. Imagine how much damage she could do. Also, if you even read the damn post, I admitted Fred wouldn't have much chance. lrn2reedz The Jorge thing was a joke, brighten up.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote] Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor, they can see in dark very damn well, have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded. Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor. With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters, run up to [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_augmentation_procedures]40KPH easily, withstand falls from orbit and be alive, gel embedded in the armor for cushion and supreme reflexes (300% faster than any Marine), it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] Here go, Wyld.[/quote] Somebody already responded to that. See? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor,[/quote] And? [quote] they can see in dark very damn well, [/quote] Kas, from Prospero Burns, only saw blackness with his normal eye, but saw everything in a green hue. So, Space Marines can do so as well. [quote] have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. [/quote] And Adeptus Astartes don't? [quote] Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded.[/quote] Except a Space Marine is very fast, agile, impressive, and intelligent. I would laugh if you suggested that a Spartan looked any better than Space Marine. [quote] Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. [/quote] Prove it. And even if you can, you still have the problem of the fact that Space Marie conventional weapons (read, conventional) can gut a Spartan in second. Also, plasma swords are not standard. [quote] More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor.[/quote] Oooh no, how scary- Do learn what you're talking about. That same titanium-alloy (ALLOY, not ALLY, Jesus) is damaged by low kilojoule Covenant plasma weapons. Adeptus Astartes power armor, on the other hand, can tank Tau single plasma rifle shots without much damage, which are capable of vaporizing a human torso. Giving it 50 megajoules of energy, I get a yield powerful enough to melt 44 kilograms of titanium. [quote] With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters [/quote] Impressive, but inferior. [quote]With a cry that rose from my stomach, I leapt into the air, reaching out with one hand above my head. I felt my fingers clasp the top lip of the stone, and I pulled, yanking my body up the rock face and flipping my legs over my head in a smooth arc. The ruddy, red light burst all around me as I cleared the rock-line and landed on top of the sandstone pavement. Instantly, my eyes scanned the sky and identified the distant, descending form of the gunship. Keeping my gaze fixed on the vessel, I started to run again, jumping and springing automatically over the wide cracks and crevices in the sloping ground. I made that jump like it was nothing. The thought tumbled about my head as I ran, distracting me and jabbing me with its significance. That rock was more than twice my height. My skin still tingled with an unrealised power. I could have gone higher. [/quote] Space Marines are normally 2.5 meters tall, so he jumped 5 meters, and he could have jumped higher. [quote] 40KPH easily,[/quote] Again, nothing special. [quote]Pausing, I looked back over my shoulder at the diminishing image of the cliff-face behind me, with the storm wall rolling towards it. By my own calculations, I had walked about fifteen kilometres in twenty minutes, through a frozen desert in arctic temperatures, and yet I was not even breathing hard. [/quote] He was going at 45 km/h, and that was mere walking pace for him. [quote] withstand falls from orbit and be alive,[/quote] Again. [quote]A narrow channel had been blown through the sand; it started in a crater about two hundred metres away and ended at my feet. From the look of it, it had been made by the impact and slide of a fast-moving, solid body. Perhaps it was the impact scar of a meteor. Or perhaps the signature of my own arrival on this planet?[/quote] [quote] gel embedded in the armor for cushion, [/quote] Once again... [quote]The only vital part of a Space Marine not protected by his black carapace was his head. Hearts, lungs, stomach, chest, all were impervious to any unarmed blow from even the strongest assailant.[/quote] They also have drugs in their armor to help them in combat. [quote] it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] See my earlier quote. And Space Marines have much more durable bones, too. Some extra stuff; in Horus Rising, lightning bolts with the strength of penetrator rounds (anti tank weapons) hit Space Marines and this gets a laugh out of them. In Angels of Darkness, armored Space Marines are stated of being able of punching through tank armor. Space Wolf has Wolf Lord Ragnar open the sealed hatch tank of a Predator tank. Warriors of Ultramar has Learchus pick up a truck, walk with it, and place it elsewhere. There are more examples out there. [quote] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] It's quite the other way around actually. The Space Marine is superior in every way to even a Spartan containing the best strengths of the strongest Spartans in the UNSC. Fail.[/quote][/quote]

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