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#Septagon

1/25/2011 7:42:35 PM
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Haven't we already been through this?

From the new rules: [quote]Do not discuss unauthorized modification of console game hardware or software, even if you're not trying to cheat or pirate.[/quote] In my philosophy of law class yesterday, we discussed why exactly laws are so complicated. Everyone interprets them differently, and their meanings change over time. But why does this rule have to be so vague? What's the goal of the rule? To prevent people using Bungie.net to find out how to cheat? To prevent people from using this site to find out how to mod their 360? To stop all discussion on modifications? If it's to prevent cheating, why not just combing this rule with the rule about cheating? "Detailing methods of cheating, including console modifications is not allowed".

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  • 2 hours at practice and look what's happened... Anyway, I didn't make this thread to discuss law. In my OP, I used an example from my philosophy of law class applied to the rules on this site. I made this thread to discuss this one rule, because I think it's too vague. A good way to write rules is to first think of the end goal of the rule, and then write that. For example, instead of "discussion of unauthorized modifications is prohibited", it should be either (if trying to prevent cheating) "detailing of methods of cheating, including mods, is prohibited" or "discussion of unapproved mods is prohibited".

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArchAssain [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pelicän Piräte [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArchAssain I don't care what anyone says urk's paragraph wins. It had nothing to do with the photo... [/quote] What? I came here for an argument![/quote] He diverted the attention away from the argument shhh let the septagonians settle. [/quote] You failed to complete the quote :(

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pelicän Piräte [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArchAssain I don't care what anyone says urk's paragraph wins. It had nothing to do with the photo... [/quote] What? I came here for an argument![/quote] He diverted the attention away from the argument shhh let the septagonians settle.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk Until then, I call for a moratorium on all meticulous grammatical analysis, despite its seemingly immeasurable entertainment value.[/quote] Shame. Personally I find such discussions edifying; not due to the confrontations that often ensue, rather because of the ideas being discussed are interesting and often cause me to look into topics/ideas I otherwise would not have. I think that limiting what can be discussed simply to prevent feathers from being ruffled is a bad idea, but then again, who am I to say such things...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArchAssain I don't care what anyone says urk's paragraph wins. It had nothing to do with the photo... [/quote] What? I came here for an argument!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face can you teach me how to post images like that pls? [/quote] I sure can. Become a member of the Bungie Web Team.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Skibur That's it... I'm not sleeping any more.[/quote]lol same[/quote] I haven't slept since Stosh got fired last time...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Skibur That's it... I'm not sleeping any more.[/quote]lol same

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  • That's it... I'm not sleeping any more.

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  • Is that Kyle MacLachlan (the guy from [i]Twin Peaks[/i])? [Edited on 01.25.2011 4:06 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk [Image Removed] If anybody gets unjustly banned per this rule, feel free to take it up with me personally. Surely, my inbox will soon be littered with thousands of accounts. Until then, I call for a moratorium on all meticulous grammatical analysis, despite its seemingly immeasurable entertainment value.[/quote] ITS HERE. THE IMAGE POSTING.ITS BACK edit: my image is rmoved!!!!!!! whatd going on!!!!!!!![/quote]Only employees gets those privileges =( Now join the club!

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  • I don't care what anyone says urk's paragraph wins. It had nothing to do with the photo... Take it how you want. Its simple don't be a tool and brag about modding here on Bungie.net... Wow rocket science at its finest.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk [Image Removed] If anybody gets unjustly banned per this rule, feel free to take it up with me personally. Surely, my inbox will soon be littered with thousands of accounts. Until then, I call for a moratorium on all meticulous grammatical analysis, despite its seemingly immeasurable entertainment value.[/quote] can you teach me how to post images like that pls? edit:^ honestly, i cant really thinik of anything clever to say, so im just going to post [url=http://www.sapu.net/wp-content/uploads/images/gucci-mane-ice-cream-tattoo.jpg]this picture of Gucci Mane[/url] Burr lol [Edited on 01.25.2011 4:22 PM PST]

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  • [IMG]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa4/urkthered/helloidliketohaveanargumentplease.jpg[/IMG] If anybody gets unjustly banned per this rule, feel free to take it up with me personally. Surely, my inbox will soon be littered with thousands of accounts. Until then, I call for a moratorium on all meticulous grammatical analysis, despite its seemingly immeasurable entertainment value.

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  • I get it, Achronos doesn't want the legal troubles of modification/pirating discussion. This site belongs to a company, so it would suck if an idiot posted download links for the latest hack and scored the company a lawsuit. However, like elmicker pointed out, there are some zones where it's "okay" like invEdit for Minecraft. However, you can't list every instance of where it's "okay," so Achronos decided to post a catch-all rule. [i]"Use Common Sense."[/i] Can't we just follow that instead of arguing over bullspit like Intellectual Property? [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y]Monty Python win by Urk.[/url] [Edited on 01.25.2011 4:04 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XGO MONSTROUS Seriously though. It's not that big of a deal.[/quote]The next title release is likely years away and I don't think there's even been official mention of the first Reach update. A rules change is the most exciting thing to happen on B.net this year, you can't expect people not to discuss it beyond what could be considered reasonable. That's pretty much the nature of any Internet forum.

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  • So I came into this thread, and I saw Elmicker and Achronos at eachother's throats, and then my head asploaded. I need an aspirin now. Seriously though. It's not that big of a deal.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] vanert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face thats it, elmacker 4 president lol edit: OnTopic: So, if i post about like mass effect custom faces will that be against rules, cause alogn time ago, was concluded that bioware was alright w/ it[/quote] If you allow exceptions such as "They've said they don't mind it!" then it would become a common excuse. It's just less hassel to have the rule apply to all discussion so get rid of loop holes and grey areas.[/quote] kk

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face thats it, elmacker 4 president lol edit: OnTopic: So, if i post about like mass effect custom faces will that be against rules, cause alogn time ago, was concluded that bioware was alright w/ it[/quote] If you allow exceptions such as "They've said they don't mind it!" then it would become a common excuse. It's just less hassel to have the rule apply to all discussion to get rid of loop holes and grey areas. [Edited on 01.25.2011 3:53 PM PST]

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  • thats it, elmacker 4 president lol edit: OnTopic: So, if i post about like mass effect custom faces will that be against rules, cause alogn time ago, was concluded that bioware was alright w/ it [Edited on 01.25.2011 3:47 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker So, no to kinect hacks too, then?[/quote] I'd assume not.

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  • So, no to kinect hacks too, then?

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  • Legally authorized (assuming no intent to pirate), but no, you shouldn't be discussing that here. Sorry, but that is just a minefield we'd prefer to stay away from. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Reykjavik I think the problem with the rule is that the intent is to ban discussion about modifications that are not approved of by the hardware/software company. The rule says that it bans discussion of unauthorized modification. I am authorized to jailbreak an ipad, but Apple does not approve. Would I be allowed to discuss that topic on this website? Should I be allowed to? Under the current rules, it would seem like I do have the authority to talk about it on Bnet, because in the rules it specifies that discussion of unauthorized modifications are against the rules. If the rule actually were to allow discussion of authorized mods, that would be great. However, if you only want to allow approved mods, then that should be made clear (and I won't like it very much). [/quote]

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  • I think the problem with the rule is that the intent is to ban discussion about modifications that are not approved of by the hardware/software company. The rule says that it bans discussion of unauthorized modification. I am authorized to jailbreak an ipad, but Apple does not approve. Would I be allowed to discuss that topic on this website? Should I be allowed to? Under the current rules, it would seem like I do have the authority to talk about it on Bnet, because in the rules it specifies that discussion of unauthorized modifications are against the rules. If the rule actually were to allow discussion of authorized mods, that would be great. However, if you only want to allow approved mods, then that should be made clear (and I won't like it very much).

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  • I'm sorry, but I disagree. If in practice this becomes a problem, I'll revisit it. I don't think it will, but I've been wrong before. Until then, though, it will stay as is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker This is one such situation.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos Got it, you're not interested in actual discussion, just a pile on. I'll note that for next time. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant Well, no surprise there. I've seen that kind of cop-out before. [/quote][/quote]You should first look at my first post in this thread before jumping to conclusions about my intent. But digging through facts to find the truth isn't something you're fond of, judging from that same experience.

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