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8/4/2004 5:26:10 PM
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Profile/forum enhancement idea

This idea came to me when responding to a post in The Flood. Since posts there tend to disappear faster than a Tijuana Mama, I thought that I would ask here to see if it has been considered. What might be an interesting b.net feature/enhancement would be a true "ignore" feature. Add a b.net user to your ignore-list, and you don't even see any forum posts created by them. Any replies they post to a thread do not display onto your view of a thread. They just no longer exist for your b.net experience. It might decrease the perceived impact that spammers and flooders can make to a forum. It would also aggravate the beejeebers out of the kiddies too. To know that they are posting their most well considered tidbits like, "ur -blam!-" or "i wuld pwn u in halo" and not a single person who would be annoyed by it is even hearing/seeing them. It could definitely lighten the load on the Mods too. I would imagine that it would involve a processing load on the b.net servers as they wouldn't just "feed up" the current topic's posts, but have to filter them against the requesting user's ignore list. But it could also assist with tracking problem members. For example; if userA is on >75% of all users ignore lists, disable or restrict their account, or send them a warning, etc.
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  • Psssh... Achronos... it was you this time! =O
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halo53 What happens if a spammer ignores a mod? Then he can say stuff like "I didn't know I couldn't XXX because I ignored him blah blah whine whine -blam!- -blam!-"[/quote] The original idea of an ignore list has been all but rendered moot by Achronos and his upcoming "cool tools for mods". If it were to be used however, ignoring a Bungie staffer or mod could be set to (and likely would) warn the user that this would result in an auto-disable of their account. It would bring new meaning to "ignore at your own peril".
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Banshee Barron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 I don't want to tempt fate by mentioning his name "out loud".[/quote] [i]He who must not be named.[/i][/quote] Haha. Harry Potter fans w00t! What happens if a spammer ignores a mod? Then he can say stuff like "I didn't know I couldn't XXX because I ignored him blah blah whine whine -blam!- -blam!-"
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  • Thank you again Achronos for the informative reply. Was it me or did I see a self-censor in there? I wonder what the "different section" might be? Hmmmmmmmm. As long as it doesn't start with the letter "B" and rhyme with "skis". (the horror, the horror)
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  • u r cool achronos, i will develop immunity against ninjas [Edited on 8/5/2004 2:01:02 PM]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Achronos, I appreciate you taking the time to entertain the suggestion/idea. Thank you for responding. I understand the downside of addressing symptoms rather than the actual problems. The difficulty is both the core problem as well as the symptoms are mostly from kiddies acting like kiddies. It's very hard to come up with a technological solution to a human-nature problem.[/quote] True, but what we're talking about is making the consequences of violating the rules painful enough, as well as given the moderators more control over dealing out such punishment. There will always be spammers, but a lot of them do it because it is fun - make it not fun to be an -blam!- by unleashing some ninjas, and the less of a problem it is. [quote]If I may, is this (the New Hotness) all custom-code or based on one of the "mothership's" products? If I squint really hard, I can see hints of SharePoint here and there that appears to have been hot-rodded. Or was that question REALLY insulting and I should just sit still and await the throngs of blood-thirsty ninja?[/quote] Sharepoint probably stole from us... hehehe. No, this is all custom code. The new 7th column is similar in functionality to the perl site at seventhcolumn.bungie.net, but none of its code or database schema will remain. The new forums were written by Ideal Science, and were based off their IdealBB product, except targeted at the C#/ASP.NET platform. Basically, if you buy their upcoming IdealBB.NET forum product, you get a forum product that was spec'd in collaboration with us, except it won't have my extensive customizations to it. Aside from that though, the rest of the site is written by myself (on the backend code) and our old front-end developer, Claire (who works elsewhere in MS now). Our new front-end dev, Chris, will have his stuff showcased in the new 7th column and, uh... a different section. And, of course, Lorraine and Zoe continue to make everything look pretty.
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  • Sounds interesting Archronos. I hope the Pink-haired one isn't Zoe.
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  • [quote]I'm eagerly looking forward to see it in action.[/quote] Don't count on it. Unless you're a spammer. [quote]Or was that question REALLY insulting and I should just sit still and await the throngs of blood-thirsty ninja?[/quote] Tom is preparing the ray now.
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  • Man, I'd love something like this. Even though he's gone, I'd definitely add Darkness 1282 to my ignore list (if there was one). He was the Troll King, in my opinion... a bad one... very, very bad. Things like this make you wonder, though... Make you think "I wonder who has put me on their ignore list. Who out there hates my guts?"
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos Too late! Now you will all free my wrath... uh... well, maybe after lunch. Anyway, a per user ignore list has a huge cost in performance - for the current level of users it probably could be done, but not for "Halo 2 levels". Besides, an ignore list is what I call a "symptom solution." It only solves the symptoms of spammers. But it wouldn't work when they switch accounts. And the mods would still have to delete/lock their crap because there will always be a set of users who don't understand your ignore list feature. I prefer to solve problems at the source. I have a few... creative ideas that I'm currently working on that have very good potential for making life much harder for anybody who can't seem to follow the code of conduct. One is a new moderator tool I call "Unleash Ninjas". They'll like that one. The other one is more... well, you won't notice it unless you deserve it, and we'll leave it at that. [/quote] iiiiiiieeeehhhhh! He HEARD us! Whatever you do, don't open your eyes! Unless you want the Raiders of the Lost Ark face-melting to occur! Achronos, I appreciate you taking the time to entertain the suggestion/idea. Thank you for responding. I understand the downside of addressing symptoms rather than the actual problems. The difficulty is both the core problem as well as the symptoms are mostly from kiddies acting like kiddies. It's very hard to come up with a technological solution to a human-nature problem. It's great to know that something is in the works. I'm eagerly looking forward to see it in action. If I may, is this (the New Hotness) all custom-code or based on one of the "mothership's" products? If I squint really hard, I can see hints of SharePoint here and there that appears to have been hot-rodded. Or was that question REALLY insulting and I should just sit still and await the throngs of blood-thirsty ninja?
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  • Man, that thing could get confusing though. Like if someone you blocked was a big part of a thread you were reading. People would be saying stuff, and replying to them and you'd be like "What?"
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Banshee Barron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 I don't want to tempt fate by mentioning his name "out loud".[/quote] [i]He who must not be named.[/i][/quote] Too late! Now you will all free my wrath... uh... well, maybe after lunch. Anyway, a per user ignore list has a huge cost in performance - for the current level of users it probably could be done, but not for "Halo 2 levels". Besides, an ignore list is what I call a "symptom solution." It only solves the symptoms of spammers. But it wouldn't work when they switch accounts. And the mods would still have to delete/lock their crap because there will always be a set of users who don't understand your ignore list feature. I prefer to solve problems at the source. I have a few... creative ideas that I'm currently working on that have very good potential for making life much harder for anybody who can't seem to follow the code of conduct. One is a new moderator tool I call "Unleash Ninjas". They'll like that one. The other one is more... well, you won't notice it unless you deserve it, and we'll leave it at that. [/quote] :) [i]Things of which will not be named[/i]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Banshee Barron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 I don't want to tempt fate by mentioning his name "out loud".[/quote] [i]He who must not be named.[/i][/quote] Too late! Now you will all free my wrath... uh... well, maybe after lunch. Anyway, a per user ignore list has a huge cost in performance - for the current level of users it probably could be done, but not for "Halo 2 levels". Besides, an ignore list is what I call a "symptom solution." It only solves the symptoms of spammers. But it wouldn't work when they switch accounts. And the mods would still have to delete/lock their crap because there will always be a set of users who don't understand your ignore list feature. I prefer to solve problems at the source. I have a few... creative ideas that I'm currently working on that have very good potential for making life much harder for anybody who can't seem to follow the code of conduct. One is a new moderator tool I call "Unleash Ninjas". They'll like that one. The other one is more... well, you won't notice it unless you deserve it, and we'll leave it at that.
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  • I think that Bungie really should consider a contest that has as a prize "go on a drinking binge with the webmaster". I think that sitting down, drinking tons and basking in his brand of civilized impatience/amusement (I'm not sure what else to call it) would be a GREAT evening/weekend!
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  • Let's just say that if you messaged the webmaster you probably wouldn't get the kind of response you wanted.
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  • and I just KNOW better than to e-mail and suggest it to the webmaster!
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 I don't want to tempt fate by mentioning his name "out loud".[/quote] [i]He who must not be named.[/i]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Banshee Barron Ironically, last night I was thinking how nice it would be if something like this was implemented. That way I wouldn't have to listen to all that crap mithander, Obi Wan Canoli, and davster spew out.[/quote] I am assuming the tools are in place (or close) as we speak. The fact that we can look at a string of replies and some show "reply and PM user" at the bottom, and our own posts show "reply and edit" indicated to me that each reply has a userID tag in it. The logic being "if message userID tag = viewers ID, then put up the following buttons". Adding an "ignore user" button to the bottom of each post could just populate an ignore list associated with your account. There is already a "block user" list for the PM system. I can't imaging it being "impossible" to do, I think the hard part would be giving it the time it needs amongst all of the other ongoing b.net upgrades and improvements. Personally, I could wait longer for message searching if I had the ability to "dial down" some of the background noise on the forums. Of course this is all based on me making huge assumptions, the Overlord would be able to say for certain. I don't want to tempt fate by mentioning his name "out loud". [Edited on 8/4/2004 10:08:30 AM]
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  • Ironically, last night I was thinking how nice it would be if something like this was implemented. That way I wouldn't have to listen to all that crap mithander, Obi Wan Canoli, and davster spew out.
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  • That's thinkin!
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