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The light was always meant for the Hive

I recently read the Books of Sorrow and it's really got me thinking about stuff for Witch Queen and the upcoming seasons. I came up with this theory. It probably won't be true and I'm sure has holes aplenty but it's fun to think about. So if you remember in Unraveling we learn about the whole thing with the Light and Darkness playing a game before reality existed, where flowers where put on an Infinite grid. The game always ended with one species of flower overtaking the others and preventing others from even existing. This went on until the Light for bored and put itself in the game as a factor leading to the Darkness following suit and creating reality in the process. Reality as a whole is essentially a continuation of this game but reading about Fundament makes me think that it is a more direct continuation of the game even if it's more on a metaphorical level. There's hundreds of sapient species living there and the hive eventually wipe all the others out. Fundament seems to have been really important to the Light and Darkness because the Leviathan, a disciple of the Traveler, and the Worm God's, being that answer only to the Darkness itself, where both present on the planet. On top of that there's the Needle Ship. The description reminds me of a Pyramid Ship or a variant of it. We know the Traveler was also in the system helping out civilizations on Fundaments moons but that could just be normal Traveler stuff and not being there for anything specific. But what really got me thinking was the part where the Hive God's encounter the Leviathan and it tries to convince them not to go find the Women Gods. It claims that the Krill/Proto Hive are it's proof against the Darkness. That they are it's hope that the Light's philosophy is true. I think that's why the Darkness was so intent on corrupting them. The Osmium King's familiar was a worm that guided the Hive God's to the worms and to me at least, it was implied that the Wom God's where the real reason for the Syzgy. In Beyond Light the Darkness seemed to have a special interest in corrupting the Guardians to it's side for similar reasons. We where the champions of the Traveler and the Light so if it could get us to fight for it, then it would of struck a major blow against the Light. I think that the Traveler was likely going to give the Hive Ghosts once it finished up with the moons so that they could be champions of the Light like how the Guardians are now. We don't know if the Ghosts where actually created during the Collapse or if they existed before. So when the Hive God's fell to darkness and took over Fundament, the Traveler no longer saw them as worthy of the Light. This could also explain why it never gave any other civilization access to the Ghosts. If the Hive, the very species that the Leviathan deemed as proof of the Lights philosophy could be corrupted, then it wouldn't want to take that risk again unless it could be completely sure. So when Savathûn inevitably exercises her worm and rejects the Darkness, the Traveler takes it as a sign of them being worthy again and gives Savathûn the light. Like I said it's kind of a dumb theory but the idea of the Hive, one of the greatest threats in the Destiny universe, effectively being the original Guardians or at least coming close to it is a really interesting idea to me.
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  • Interesting....but no. Though it isn't "dumb". The only fault I find with it is that you're trying to put to much importance on the role of Fundament. That planet was important to the Hive...it was almost certainly just another battle between Light and Dark. Among many others. The "game" between the Gardener and the Winnower is basically symbolic. Their game is basically "Natural Selection". That Life sciences notion evolution progresses by Survival of the Fittest. Life competes for survival, and those with the characteristics that give them the advantage at surviving and reproducing pass on their traits to the next generation....and Nature slowly refines those characteristics. The Gardener got bored because if that is the defining principle, then you always wind up with the life form that is the most aggressive, and most capable of reproducing itself and suppressing its competitors....always wins. Sword Logic. (This isn't what happens in nature because the dance of Natural Selection is actually more complicated than that....but that's a seperate discussion) So the Gardener walked away from the game, because She wanted a different set of rules, so that a different set of outcomes became possible. What is important to take from Fundament is that this conflict between Light and Dark....between order and chaos....harmony and conflict...creation and destruction has been raging across our Universe for billions of years.... ...and may even been the reason why this particular Universe was created in the first place. What is unique about Fundament was that it was the crucible needed to create a creature was susceptible to the temptation offered by the Darkness and the Worm Gods.

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