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ViDoc: A Spartan Will Rise

In the face of impossible odds... [url=/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=A_Spartan_Will_Rise] click for full story [/url]

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  • Check out my awesome map created by 3 users (including myself) in my file share. Hit the like button if you wish and comments are always welcome cuz I enjoy feedback =)

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  • I think Cortana has a thing for super lethals.

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  • Insanely sick vidoc. I cannot wait for this game!!

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  • I absolutely [i]loved[/i] that ViDoc/video! It shows a different face to Halo: Reach, which I usually wouldn't expect from a Halo game from Bungie.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Da Kman117 Its like bungies just randomly making up crap as they go along.And im not saying that reach isnt going to be cool but im tired of all the filler games like Halo wars, ODST, and Reach, why wont they just make the 4 halo already?!! i want to see if it was reach or onyx or some random fourrunner planet he floats towards at the end of halo 3. what does reach or dr halsey or noble team even have to do with the series? Im going to be pissed if reach is just another Halo 3 ODST. [/quote]You are so stupid i might aswell just kill myself knowing people rant about this...

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  • Its like bungies just randomly making up crap as they go along.And im not saying that reach isnt going to be cool but im tired of all the filler games like Halo wars, ODST, and Reach, why wont they just make the 4 halo already?!! i want to see if it was reach or onyx or some random fourrunner planet he floats towards at the end of halo 3. what does reach or dr halsey or noble team even have to do with the series? Im going to be pissed if reach is just another Halo 3 ODST.

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  • so why suddenly bring in halsey now? what does she have to do with reach other than the stuff from first strike, i thought she had nothing to do with nole team.

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  • lucky am only geting limited edition box NOBLE 6 RULZ!

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  • If you read Halo: First Strike, you'll learn that Dr. Halsey is really serious about her Spartans to the point of manipulation. She can be REAL manipulative when it comes to getting her way. Just ask that ODST soldier from First Strike. Lol.

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  • this game is the best cant wait my b-day is 2 days before it comes out

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  • idk

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  • I watched it again in greater detail, and it is narrated by cortana, and not hasley for the simple reason that when they show hasley, one thing that she says is "So, you've mad your choice. Great minds think alike." since this is about the time that cortana is paired up with master chief in the timeline, and cortana was created using a flash clone of hasleys brain, the choice was that cortana was choosing john, and the statement "Great minds think alike." was hasley talking to cortana.

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Awesome87 I remember seeing what he's talking about in a few of the very first publications detailing Noble Team earlier in the year. The class letters were used in those early publications. I haven't seen them used since though. If I get a chance, I'll try digging through the archives and find one to link. UPDATE: Ok, Halopedia has the members of Noble Team all listed with letters to indicate their respective companies here: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Noble_Team As far as official things from Bungie, all I could find was this instruction to deduce their companies from their ages: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_012910 My guess is the good fans at Halopedia did just that, though I still could swear that I saw some other publications using the letter designations earlier... Hope that helps.[/quote] Yes, it does help. I still wonder why Noble Team's company letters aren't listed under "Personnel" here at B.Net. But thanks anyway. :)

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  • awsome trailer! its nice to see some spartans that have a face for once. makes em feel more human. already preordered the legendary edition and cant wait till launch day :)

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  • I remember seeing what he's talking about in a few of the very first publications detailing Noble Team earlier in the year. The class letters were used in those early publications. I haven't seen them used since though. If I get a chance, I'll try digging through the archives and find one to link. UPDATE: Ok, Halopedia has the members of Noble Team all listed with letters to indicate their respective companies here: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Noble_Team As far as official things from Bungie, all I could find was this instruction to deduce their companies from their ages: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_012910 My guess is the good fans at Halopedia did just that, though I still could swear that I saw some other publications using the letter designations earlier... Hope that helps. [Edited on 08.23.2010 9:39 PM PDT]

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo 1 user I believe it says somewhere on the site, or just quite possibly in one of the books?!?[/quote] No, none of the books. If on the site--where?

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  • I believe it says somewhere on the site, or just quite possibly in one of the books?!?

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] a j00ish guy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan IJS I'd still like to know how you know they were from Alpha.[/quote] The letter designation in their name denotes company...[/quote] This I know. What I want to know is from this quote below. [quote]...Their names are: Carter-A259 Jun-A266 Emile-A239 All Alpha Company. Kat-B320 and S-B312 are Beta Company....[/quote] Noble Teams' numbers I also know. I want to know where you found the letters in front, i.e., the "AXXXs" and the "BXXXs." [quote]Jorge-052 has no letter because he was a Class I Spartan-II.[/quote] This I also know. ;) [Edited on 08.22.2010 6:27 PM PDT]

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Awesome87 First off, I'd like to thank you for responding logically and not flaming.[/quote] My pleasure. :) [quote]The only point that I really feel a need to correct you on is the part about the brutes serving as honor guards. While your statement regarding the brutes encountered by the Spartans in the temple is correct, it ignores the epilogue, in which Truth has a conversation with Tartarus regarding the Space-bending crystal from Reach, as well as the fate of the soon to be Arbiter. During that conversation, it specifies that the honor guard was all brutes, something the Elites would not have stood for before the events of Halo 2.[/quote] Hm... I'll have to look at that again. I appreciate you bringing it up. [quote]Now, I shall rephrase my point to try and be more clear with what I'm getting at: Bungie may have acknowledged the books as 'cannon,' but the Halo Bible, and thus the cannon, may be considered fluid. As you yourself mentioned, Bungie has demonstrated on multiple occasions that they have no shame when it comes to introducing plot and game elements with little or no explanation. The introduction of some elements however, have drastically changed plot events throughout the Halo universe. Take Brutes for example. They didn't exist in Halo 1, or when the Fall of Reach was written. Thus, at the time that The Fall of Reach was being written, the Halo Bible probably didn't say anything about the Covenant collapsing into a civil war, and the elites joining the Humans to defeat them. However, once introduced during Halo 2, the brutes would end up having a drastic effect on the entire story of the Halo saga. The so called Halo Bible would have had to be edited to reflect that.[/quote] Not to mention the Skirmishers, which don't exist in any other Halo work, game or otherwise. But as I might have said before, their sudden existence might be more forgivable since they are cousins of the Jackals and have similar appearances. [quote]On top of all that, it is doubtful that the Halo Bible is a highly detailed work. It is more likely an in depth outline of major characters, and predetermined plot events. All the little details in between are likely up to the interpretation of the author/game designers.[/quote] I will not deny that this is a possibility. Alas, we will never truly know unless they decide to one day make it available to the public. [quote]Thus my point: Whether the books were written with the aid of the Halo Bible or not is irrelevant. The Bible is edited and changed to reflect Bungies games, and even if it isn't, chances are it leaves a lot open to the interpretation of the individual writers. IMO, As Bungie is the creator of Halo, only those elements in their games are set in stone 'cannon.' All other books, games, comics, videos, and even any future movies, are only cannon so long as they don't conflict with Bungie's games.[/quote] On this point, we'll have to agree to disagree. [quote]Unfortunately, Bugie's control of the Halo Universe will evaporate completely after the release of Reach, to we will probably see plot holes increase exponentially in the coming years. [/quote] Hopefully with Frank O'Connor at 343's head, it will be decent. At any rate, we'll both have to agree to disagree. I stand by the Halo works of Eric Nylund. They are fantastic and well written works, and are the foundation of the Halo fiction outside the games. Major inconsistancies did not appear until after their publication. These inconsistancies also came from other authors. There are a few other works that correspond with the original works as well. It's not that hard to check up on what's been established before, yet writers like Tobias Buckell with his book [i]The Cole Protocol[/i] have failed to do so. If a plot hole appears later down the line in a work of fiction and it was not made by the author who laid the foundation stones of the literary fiction, do we hold the original author as equally responsible as a later author? No I say. Eric Nylund began where there was no back fiction before, so there was nothing to contradict. And he didn't write about just anything, he wrote about the origins of the Spartan program; he wrote about Halsey; he wrote about the Spartan-IIIs, and he wrote about several Forerunner topics as well, such as the crystal and the shield worlds. He wrote what about core elements of the fiction. Therefore, he is worthy to fall back on when I speak of plot holes. [Edited on 08.22.2010 3:09 PM PDT]

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  • your right

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan IJS I'd still like to know how you know they were from Alpha.[/quote] The letter designation in their name denotes company. Their names are: Carter-A259 Jun-A266 Emile-A239 All Alpha Company. Kat-B320 and S-B312 are Beta Company. Jorge-052 has no letter because he was a Class I Spartan-II.

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  • Appart from this hot discuss... What a cool video, I was shocked when I saw Halsey narrating the profiles of the Noble team Spartans. I should bring back my xbox!!! George, out. PD: You can continue discussing now. =)

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  • First off, I'd like to thank you for responding logically and not flaming. The only point that I really feel a need to correct you on is the part about the brutes serving as honor guards. While your statement regarding the brutes encountered by the Spartans in the temple is correct, it ignores the epilogue, in which Truth has a conversation with Tartarus regarding the Space-bending crystal from Reach, as well as the fate of the soon to be Arbiter. During that conversation, it specifies that the honor guard was all brutes, something the Elites would not have stood for before the events of Halo 2. Now, I shall rephrase my point to try and be more clear with what I'm getting at: Bungie may have acknowledged the books as 'cannon,' but the Halo Bible, and thus the cannon, may be considered fluid. As you yourself mentioned, Bungie has demonstrated on multiple occasions that they have no shame when it comes to introducing plot and game elements with little or no explanation. The introduction of some elements however, have drastically changed plot events throughout the Halo universe. Take Brutes for example. They didn't exist in Halo 1, or when the Fall of Reach was written. Thus, at the time that The Fall of Reach was being written, the Halo Bible probably didn't say anything about the Covenant collapsing into a civil war, and the elites joining the Humans to defeat them. However, once introduced during Halo 2, the brutes would end up having a drastic effect on the entire story of the Halo saga. The so called Halo Bible would have had to be edited to reflect that. On top of all that, it is doubtful that the Halo Bible is a highly detailed work. It is more likely an in depth outline of major characters, and predetermined plot events. All the little details in between are likely up to the interpretation of the author/game designers. Thus my point: Whether the books were written with the aid of the Halo Bible or not is irrelevant. The Bible is edited and changed to reflect Bungies games, and even if it isn't, chances are it leaves a lot open to the interpretation of the individual writers. IMO, As Bungie is the creator of Halo, only those elements in their games are set in stone 'cannon.' All other books, games, comics, videos, and even any future movies, are only cannon so long as they don't conflict with Bungie's games. Unfortunately, Bugie's control of the Halo Universe will evaporate completely after the release of Reach, to we will probably see plot holes increase exponentially in the coming years. [Edited on 08.21.2010 12:05 PM PDT]

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    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] urk In the face of impossible odds... [url=/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=A_Spartan_Will_Rise] click for full story [/url][/quote] I love how Noble 6 is described as "hyper-lethal." LOL! Well of course s/he is. They have to make it that way, you're the player character. It wouldn't be interesting otherwise. Don't you just love game designers?

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    ... Aw, crap. I really wish you didn't bring this up--no offense. It would take an entire book to explain all this. It's very complicated and I don't know where to begin. I'll try and give the short (if somewhat butchered) version of this for brevity's sake... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Awesome87 ...Perhaps Bungie does not consider the books to be cannon...[/quote] Bungie declared (for better or for worse) that all books, comics, games, etc, are considered cannon. Eric Nylund (who wrote the best and most consistent books by far) was given the Halo Bible to write his books. I fall back on the Halos 1, 2, and 3, and the three books written by Nylund whenever I harp on plot holes and inconsistencies. Now grant it, the idea that humans never encountered Elites and Hunters until [i]27 years[/i] into the war is absolute BS, I'll agree. You don't go that long without seeing warrior groups who are part of the alien military to begin with in ground engagements. Basically (so that this part alone doesn't take chapters' worth for me to explain), when it comes to the Halo fiction, I keep to what I was originally told by the original games and Nylund's books (save for a few exceptions scattered throughout said material) and disregard anything tacked later on that contradicts that. (And I hate and despise the anime abomination that is Halo Legends on principle; but that's another discussion, for another time, in another forum--not here.) [quote]There are already plenty of plot holes between the books and the games.[/quote] The books and the games (yes, the games) were riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies from the very beginning. Some not as bad as others. A lot of it stems from creating new content without properly explaining it to begin with. In the case of Halo Wars for example (and I know Bungie didn't make that game, you don't have to tell me that), they wanted to introduce all the elements of the universe, which is understandable; it's an RTS. I have nothing against that in principle, but at the same time they completely disregard the fact that they've just put tech that didn't exist 20 years prior to the Halo Event, and they incorporate that into their story. Not to mention throwing the Flood into the game--what the -BLAM!-? That in itself almost defeats the purpose of the original game. Again, I could say more, but there's just too much. [quote]For example, in First Strike it is stated that the UNSC had never before seen a brute, and that the brutes were serving as the Prophet's honor guards...[/quote] Incorrect. The brutes were put on simple guard duty for a temple on the Covenant station, Unyielding Hierophant. That's very different from being an Honor Guard which was, at the time, the role of the Elites. Brutes and Elites were kept segregated throughout the war and the Brutes were treated as second class citizens since they were fairly new to the Covenant (within the last few decades, I think, to be more accurate). It at least makes sense that most, if not all, humans wouldn't have seen them until later. I could write 5,000 more words about this, but I'm moving on now. To cover something quick. I'm sure there are those who would accuse me of saying, "Oh, you're just saying 'it's too complicated to fully get into' so you can take the easy way out. You don't actually have anything else to say on X subject, you're just making it up." To which I would say, that's too bad, because you're just going to have to take my word for it. [quote]To top that all off, the other books don't even mention Skirmishers.[/quote] Bungie proved long ago that they have no shame when it comes to introducing new elements into an earlier part of the timeline. All for the sake of trying to keep the game itself as "fresh" as possible so that more people will buy it. That's a problem with any game: you have to keep introducing new elements in sequels to keep it fresh and interesting. In Bungie's case, they seem to like to keep on shooting Continuity in the foot for the sake of it. [quote]The fact is that the books were not written by Bungie. They were coordinated by MS and 343.[/quote] Most of the books were written before 343 Industries ever came into being. Microsoft still went through Bungie on those projects. Remember what I said about Bungie giving Eric Nylund the Halo Bible to write The Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx. Joe Staten from Bungie wrote Contact Harvest. Even his work contradicts what was stated before about first contact with the Covenant. I did like the revelation he put in his book though. [Edited on 08.20.2010 9:51 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Awesome87 At the risk of being flamed to doom, I'm going to suggest another theory for those of you worried about the holes that seem to be appearing between the books and Reach: Perhaps Bungie does not consider the books to be cannon. There are already plenty of plot holes between the books and the games. For example, in First Strike it is stated that the UNSC had never before seen a brute, and that the brutes were serving as the Phrophet's honor gaurds. This fact was totally in conflict with the plot of Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo Wars, and is even in conflict with every novel written since then. Also, The Fall of Reach states that humans didn't ever see an Elite before Reach fell. This also obviously incorrect when compared to the games and other novels. To top that all off, the other books don't even mention Skirmishers. The fact is that the books were not written by Bungie. They were coordinated by MS and 343. They're nice fluff material, but in the end, it doesn't look like they can be accepted as 100% Halo Gospel. So, as far as facts go, I'm going to accept Bungie's word over the books. [/quote] agreed

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