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Edited by ruddieman: 7/23/2017 4:41:13 PM
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This is the community in a nutshell...

Too much grenades and supers in pvp, nerf it! *D2 has slower cooldowns and less abilities.. Charge rate of abilities too slow, pump it the f up! People never use their primary, only Icebreaker, no land and wormwood! *D2 focused the game on more primairy gun gameplay... I'm getting teamshot all the time by primairy guns, not fair, fix it! People using supers are too hard to kill! *D2 has less armor when using super... I'm getting killed too fast using my super, give us more armor while using it! Shotguns and snipers are OP and are used too much! *First they change special ammo economy and in D2 they are power weapons... I never get power ammo, give me back my easy OHK and fix it! These are just a few examples of 'requests' coming from the community and Bungie tried to listen to them. But in a way, they can never ever satisfy this community. This beta is supposed to give Bungie constructive criticism and we are not giving them that because we are too busy cracking the game by telling them our personal preferences and our dislikes. People seem not willing to adept to these changes and just want the things that they like and not what could be the best for the whole game. We have barely seen anything from D2, we aren't using the perks that will be available in D2 when it releases. Perks that upgrade our abilities such as faster cooldowns for our abilities. We are only using a fraction of the weapons and have no clue how the new weapons will feel and be like. Same thing with exotics, we don't know how they will be and benefit our Guardian. So please, calm the f down and wait for the full release before you start to whine. It's like saying your job is too hard for you before even starting with it or you start to cry before the big bully even hits you. Let's just enjoy what we have and [b]adept[/b] your playstyle instead of letting Bungie cater to your playstyle. Just my 2 cents, peace out! TLDR; Wait untill the full game is out before whining about the beta. Edit: Some people say these are opinions and that is right, this is also an opinion. I would love to see a smooth D2 just like everybody else does, we can reach that with constructive criticism. I agree pvp changes affect pve too much for now, but maybe that can still change with the release. I also agree on splitting the 2 components and that changes do not always should affect pve and pvp. Pvp in my opinion is better now and pve needs some upgrades. Faster cooldowns and possibly more heavy drops. Hope this clears up some of my thoughts. Edit 2: With the community, I mean the people who are always on a negative side of things and don't look further for solutions. The majority who has a positive vibe, are mostly the ones who don't express their opinions. That is why there is a lot of negativity on the forums and that sometimes bothers me. Hope this bring some understanding to my, little bit, harsh post. Edit 3: Just came across a video of My name is Byf about pve. Found it interesting enough to share with you guys: https://youtu.be/Sy1kTzEusLM Edit 4: Would love to reply to every single 1 of you, but don't have the time to do that. What I would like to see is a more positive forum to discuss the downsides of the game and that we can look to how make this game better. I have a feeling the downsides are pointed out to much with this game without looking at good alternatives. I love hoe pvp is now and would like to see slight changes in pve to make it more fun...not easier to play, it still hast to be a challenge to complete stuff!
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  • No no you got it all wrong. I will give you an accurate representation of the community's impression on destiny 2: WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH DESTINY 2 IS A RESKIN!!!!! WAHHHHHHHH KILL TIMES ARE TWO SLOW!!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHH BUNGIE SUCKS!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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  • I've seen this post far too many times...

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  • The community itself doesn't know much about balancing and request something they actually don't even want. For example: "get the rng out of the loot system" Bungie did what they wanted and then: "I get everything what I want in one single activity" That is only one thing of many community requests that destroyed this game step by step. Bungie should actually listen [b]less[/b] to the community because half of the requests are just stupid and destroying the game

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  • Amen!

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  • I agree man I prefer Reddit less whining

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  • I agree with your opinion on this topic. It's super wishy washy but it's important to notice that it's not the same people complaining about both sides in most cases. One change makes certain people happy while the change the other way only makes certain others happy. Not a lot of people will like that I say this but Bungies biggest mistake is making people feel like they have a voice in the game design. With them making changes that are heavily complained about throughout the years people become more and more vocal about their dissatisfactions when realistically if they just acted like most game companies and made the game the way they saw fit and came from a more unwavering position people would eventually either play the game or they wouldn't. I think that's why they go on reddit more than their own app, because they know that they've created a community whose vocal and unwilling to adapt to change here. Every player wants it is way and petitions, and it's only because Bungie wants to make people feel heard. These forums are the perfect place for unhappy people to complain in unison with other unhappy people. It's kicked a lot of the more positive minded people out over the years and that's why we're here now. Negative forum after negative forum. Players need to learn how to play again.

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    • Most of those seem to be balance conflicts between pve and pvp. I see this as more proof that the 2 must be separated for most all balancing purposes.

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    • Just watch the game turn out to be exactly like the beta. Have fun with all those glitches on launch. It's your fault for writing it off as nothing more than something that was just in a beta.

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    • Extremely accurate lol

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    • I just read the first part. So true.

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    • 10/10, would recommend. Quite difficult to satisy the community, but improvements will just make the game even better. Excited :)

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    • if i could upvote this a million times i would. because its incredibly true.

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    • Amen! The whining kids who keep complaining have no right to be pissed when what they were bitching at gets changed. Destiny has changed because of all of the people who complain which are the same people that spammed grenades and supers in D1 for easy kills in PVP. The skill gap in crucible is way better now and will be a refreshing change of pace. And this is a beta so y'all can stop bitching already....

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    • A lot of those examples you gave are totally valid. Sticky grenades are rampant in PvP, special weapons WERE an issue but bungie's response in D2, if it was a response to these issues, went wholly too far. They have shown us time and again their usage charts, to see what everyone is using. When they said they were going to nerf special ammo in D1 the whole community was up in arms and they stuck with their changes. There is no evidence to show that they act upon the community. Look at all the Feedback post. The things they gave us almost nobody asked for (updated prison of elders with no matchmaking) and the things they refused to give us everybody wanted (vault space). No Bungie have created this unholy mess all by themselves. They are pushing this franchise into a different direction and the community is raging about it. The fanboys started with wait until the reveal before commenting, to wait until the Beta, to wait until the launch and to what it is now, 'yes it is garbage but it is not bungie's fault, it's our fault'. The 'Must Protect Bungie' fanboy brigade were silenced by the awful Beta but they are starting to make a return.

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    • Edited by Atom Alchemist: 7/24/2017 1:30:06 AM
      well aren't you a ----. when a problem is presented, and the solution should be a MINOR adjustment, when a company makes a MASSIVE change that is STILL A PROBLEM, lets take super and grenades, they may of been prevalent in d 1, with a ~24 second cd on grenades and melee, and a 4 minute charge on super, *modified by kills of course) the solution is NOT to make supers take 12-18 MINUTES to charge, where even if you are a complete badd ass with 15 or 20 kills you STILL WONT HAVE YOUR SUPER that is STILL a problem. the majority of changes they made is basically shooting the dog because of a splinter.

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      • People just need to calm down. Bungie I know that you are good at weeding out the complainers and whiners with those of us who actually like your game and just want a few small tweaks here and there.

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      • Bungie tries to cater to ever criticism and then over corrects. They need to quit looking at P&L spreadsheets and quit doing their psych evals to maximize profits. Not ever single -blam!-ing thing in the game needs to generate revenue. If you make someone upset ... oh -blam!-ing well. Everyone bitches about everything so they just -blam!- with everything... ridiculous.

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      • The complaints are two sides of the community. The idiots and the idiots. Bungie needed to be the adult and make the decisions that needed to be made rather than giving us what we thought we wanted. And no I didn't ask for any of this. This community is toxic. Abilities are what made me buy destiny... Destiny made me buy ps4.

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      • Edited by AnTxJeTs: 7/23/2017 6:07:18 PM
        To sum up the actual game : PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE To really sum up the community; You've got the elitist that barely come on the bungie forums. Instead they actually give constructive criticism on youtube and reddit. You've got the casuals that defend the easymode PvX this game offers and adjust to the horrible updates. You've got the technical folks who want a 2017 AAA IP with 60fps and some advancement to a game that's been in development for over 5 years. My total time in the crucible on my warlock alone is 16D 11H for D1. I'd had my fair share of time to come to a verdict that this 4v4 change and the crucible changes in the beta are garbage. I don't know what playerbase they listened to, but it certainly wasn't people who were actually "good" at crucible. Streamers don't count because 99% of them are garbage hence they struggle in inferno Trials of Osiris; but I hear bungie listened to a lot of them to make these crucial changes. I only bought RoI to play crucible. I will not be making that mistake again in D2. As much money this game brought in alone just from day 1 players is a slap in the face to what "upgrade" D2 is. Ps. I find it hard to see how D2 will be a $60 game with paid DLC. If you guys are happy to get 1 raid with a base game then pay for each after it's your hard earned mula. I'd rather spend that on a flash or steam sale where I can at least get a refund for subpar content.

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        • Eh, I plan on buying it. I don't think there will be a lack of players so what do I care about people complaining :D

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        • Well they nerfed the damage of the abilities and the Cooldowns are massive as well. Either keep the damage the same or lower the Cooldowns.

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        • Community: we want eggs. Devs: here, take these potatoes.

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          • Edited by Moot: 7/24/2017 1:17:51 AM
            The problem is, Bungie has a complete lack of finesse when responding to criticism. The moment they heard something is wrong in the game, they usually overcompensate and go way overboard trying to fix it. Hopefully D2's updated engine gives them that much-needed finesse.

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          • Juet saying, I never liked any changes to D1's meta after the the first RoI balancing patch. To be honest, I miss the RoI meta.

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          • Edited by Haunter: 7/23/2017 3:01:42 AM
            There's a balance, just like everything. Bungie go full overboard. I'll give clever dragon types as an example. We ask for less flinch received from them and counters to shotuns. Bungie nerf ammo, rof, flinch in general from pulses, high cal rounds, along with buffs to other archtypes. They nerf shotuns in air accuracy, rangefinder, crit damage and nerf all special ammo. If you're going to make 1 super per pvp game that super should feel strong. If you're going to have multiple supers per match they should feel weaker. Same thing with nades, if cooldowns take long they don't need the nerfs they all got. Also all D2 cooldowns are universal, bungie want a more competitive experience, the armor we get even at max will probably have reload and agility/recovery/armor perks but not faster cooldown ones, so beta is a accurate experience. [quote]TLDR; Wait untill the full game is out before whining about the beta.[/quote] When will you people learn? Info comes out, we complain "Wait for reveal" Reveal comes we don't like it "Wait for beta, you don't know anything till then" (repeated for 2 months across all threads) Beta comes, we don't like it "Wait for full game" You're delusional, same thing happened in D1 in each expansion, the time to complain is as early as possible so bungie get the info of what we like or don't and change it accordingly. By waiting we simply cement the experience we get for awhile till bungie hear and code changes. Wait wait wait, never worked in D1 and has not worked thus far for D2, at what point does the buck stop here and it's time to say something about what's not fun for us?

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            • Community opinions of D2 -some hate both pvp and pve -some hate pvp and love pve -some love pvp and hate pve -some love both pvp and pve - some dont care either way - some are undecided See why its dump to lump them all together.

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