Working as intended. -Bungie

No salty tears here. I tend to agree. The special change definitely has changed the flow of most matches. Sidearms and ice breaker are used more often. I didn't mind the way it was. I tended to use shotguns and fusions more than snipers. But if someone was good with a sniper and domed me good for them. Yes you can still use whatever weapons you want. People tend to gravitate towards whatever might help give them a slight edge. I do use my primary more though I will say that.

So I've been think along the same lines but with this variant: Nerf good guns but then give adept, (more powerful, better rolled) versions of weapons or exvlusives only to the better(best?) players. That's called balance, right? Introduce side arms, realize no one is using them, buff them, give them ammo on spawn, realize still no one is using them, take away special ammo. Problem solved? (Sounds like the Bungie dev that make sidearms got his/her feelings hurt and tantrumed special ammo Nerf as a response. #validatedfinally) Y1-primary kills dominated game. Butt hurt player demanded a primary nerf-and got it big time and several others for 2 more years. Y2-Special kills were dominating the game, due to primary Nerf, so many player requested a buff to primary weapons, realizing that balance is not nerfing something good into the ground making it not competitive. As a result, Bungo nerfs secondaries. Y3-Primaries are buffed and special ammo is nerfed. Most complainers of these weapons are PVP players, and I would dare say Trials or Competive players. When's the last time you read a player post that said "we were doing Crota on hard and this guy on my team had that gun that needs to be nerfed cuz it killed a Knight with 2 head and 1 body from 71.6238 meters?" 3 years of see-sawing isn't balance, it's the opposite of balance. There are were guns that were stinger than others, but instead of just nerfing the exception, a whole family gets nerfed. Things seem to be coming closer to a balance now with primaries being able to hold the ground. But the ammo Nerf has eliminated the desire to play with anything but Regen ammo weapons because when we are in those sweaty 1v1s(where a Tbag is coming if you lose and you know it) or 1vHoly Crap, that weapon you used to rely on, and put hours and years into mastering, has no fricking ammo. For me this was Plan C, for you or other players it was that God roll LDR, that Conspiracy Theory D, that Black Spindle. The current ammo economy is set up to prohibit steaks, and (no pressure) don't miss any shots, which means you better already know any new weapon before you dare use it in PVP because your not gonna have any ammo to spare and experiment with. This does ruin and degrade the quality and play for casual players of both PVP and PVE(you know us Bungo, the other 90pct of players that are complaining about being eliminated in the final round of Trials with the same gun our team mate is using and that helped get us to the final round every week) For players that dont have hours and hours a DAY to grind and learn new weapons and play styles every 4 months. It does ruin the player experience. And this game, which I still love to play, has become more frustrating, less fun. Disclaimers-Ive been flawless, Ive done hard raids, I've had PVP games with 3.0KDs and games with .3KDs, And I am not suggesting that anyone who's done more or less of these is better than another.

Here's a fix - remove special weapons completely from PVP so this complaining and 'nerf this and that' attitude gets completely squashed. Destiny PVP is pretty craptastic and I wish people would just move on and let it die.

I've been screaming it since 2013, had pve been separated from pvp you could have had an actual balanced pvp experience and still feel powerful playing pve. It's all pvp's fault.

I don't play a lot of trials so is this a problem for that specific mode? Today I got killed by shotguns, snipers other than ice breaker and quite a few fusions. And no I'm not complaining about any of it. If I die I die. I love getting payback medals though. Maybe it sounds a little conspiratorial but I think most nerfs are because of trials. So reap what you sow.

Until Bungie separates PvP from PvE, this game will suffer. Also, PvP is a forever balancing act when you have characters with powers and weapons with different perks. I think it's always a work in progress trying to keep it fair. Apparently it's a lot harder than people think.

Correction, Bungie/gamers why did you ruin this game.

Bump

Up vote. You can nerf anything you like. We will always find a way to kill each other. [spoiler]-blam!- you Josh.[/spoiler]