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Edited by AerisWing: 3/21/2017 5:34:33 PM
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If bungie thinks lowering the amount of sidearm Ammo at spawn is going to fix the current Meta they're wrong

This sidearm meta is cancer. Anyone who is playing trials is forced to use a sidearm. Think about it. When every special weapon has zero ammo except a sidearm why would you even use anything else? Trials matches are 1.5 minutes long. Special spawn is 30 seconds. 1/3 of the time is spent camping special? NO Everyone is going to use a sidearm. How did bungie not think this through? Trials stats show 50% of all special kills are sidearm and 47% are sniper. Real diversity right there.... Point being. If bungie thinks just reducing sidearm ammo in the next patch will fix things they are wrong. Everyone will choose a gun that has even a little ammo over a gun that has zero ammo.. BRING SPECIAL AMMO BACK THEY WAY IT WAS BEFORE!

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  • Use an auto rifle and watch the sidearmers cower in fear :)

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    Honestly changing the special ammo economy to how it is today is -blam!-ing retarded. So then people got around that because it was stupid. The end result, NO ONE GET SPECIAL AMMO. You are even lucky enough to get the special box, it's probably bait or you'll within seconds of getting the ammo. Why do they insist on calling these changes "balancing" anyway? If the community asks for 1-3 things to be nerfed, do it. Don't nerf the entire weapon category, or subclass (except for og sunbreakers. I admit as a titan main, I felt bad) just nerf the things we mention. If this were the case since the 1st half of year one, we wouldn't be in these forums questioning the entirety of game flow.

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    • It only gives them 10 shots which is only enough for one kill. This is exactly what was needed,

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      • People have been talking about Dreg's Promise since the last sandbox tweak, I did some grinding in CoE and ended up getting 2 Dreg's Promise... man that thing shreds people when up close and even mid-range!

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      • Speak for yourself...this has been the most enjoyable meta for pvp in my opinion. No more jug shotgun and now only having a single clip at spawn for sidearms will make them farrr less rampant. Perfect.

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        • [quote]This sidearm meta is cancer[/quote] Your entire post was about sidearms as they relate to Trials. So is this really a Trials issue?

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        • Hate to break it to you but bungie won't do that because every other special is OHK so side arms deserve a little time

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        • With the removal of special ammo on death Bungie has guaranteed the next series of inevitable complaints and nerfs. They created the problem and are making it worse. Nerf siderms -> People will still use them even with less ammo. Sidearms will get nerfed again -> making them lose ammo or rendering them useless, people will move on to Icebreakers. Icebreakers will get nerfed -> because they can regen ammo and kill people quickly. After Icebreakers, Invectives will get nerfed -> even though it takes a while to regen ammo, it is still regening ammo which is more preferable than 0 ammo. Invectives will get nerf -> because people will never stop asking for nerfs, and they still can't stand shotguns. This future is what I see coming. If you really hate sidearms just think, how popular were they when special ammo was still around? Almost non-existent? If they wanted to nerf special ammo, they could have simply made the boxes drop less ammo (like they did with another nerf long ago), people will still have all specials available just with less ammo than before. Removing the ammo upon death was just too far. Sometimes you don't need to leap to make progress, a few steps can help keep the chaos of balance under control.

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          • Of course they're wrong. The problem is that they are stubbornly trying to defend the game's underpowered primaries. So instead of buffing the weapons so that people CHOOSE to use them (because they are efficient and effective) they are stuck in the Fool's Errand of trying to limit people's options and force them to use them. So people are either quitting in annoyance and frustration because build diversity and play style variety are getting crushed...... ...or people are undermining the changes. All will happen is that the meta wills stay the same, and play will focus EVEN MORE on getting to special ammo boxes. Bungie stubbornly refuses to accept that you can't force people to interact with your game in ways they don't enjoy or aren't rewarding

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            • Yes they are wrong. But if you play the game as badly as they do they can be excused for thinking differently.

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              • Edited by Willakkuma: 3/20/2017 10:33:43 PM
                Why is it still so hard for folks to understand the simple math behind the last patch? Bungie [i]did[/i] think this through.......essentially taking from the rich and giving to the poor. The patch simultaneously widened the skill gap for the masses (lesser skilled) and narrowed it for the elite (more skilled). Simple. The patch chopped the legs off of the extreme ends of the range spectrum for most players while simultaneously greatly reducing use of one hit kill weapons = more forgiving/neutral middle ground constructed for higher probability of success for the masses. End of file. There's nothing else to see here. Anyone [i]still[/i] complaining - - there is literally nothing that can be done to help you any further. Pvp has been necked down to this point [u]for 2.5yrs[/u] and still there are complaints, ffs. I had a top 150 player tell me he hasn't had this much fun in the regular pvp playlist in a long time, as well as Trials being unrewarding because of easy wins via the special ammo economy.

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              • Sidearms will never be OHK, which is opposite to every other specials.

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                • You ever heard of a Primary weapon? Special weapons aren't meant for play through out the whole game. Hens why they're called "Special" weapons

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                  • Lol did you watch CammyCakes recent video and come to the forums to post this?

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                    • Why is this even being downvoted ??? I swear on everything the majority of this community is straight delusional. Sidearms are still going to be the most used secondary, with Icebreaker behind them. Unless they let other special weapons retain ATLEAST a shot or two, this will literally solve nothing. Meanwhile, the delusional side of the community is screaming, "just use a primary !" because they don't fully understand the situation as a whole. I REALLY hope this isn't the meta we're stuck in until the sequel. However, there's pretty high chances that it's gonna remain this way because we all know bungie takes atleast 6-8 months to change the sandbox.

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                      • Comparing a video game to a disease that kills millions is childish. Can't you come up with another comparison?

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                        • Edited by MimicWithAnIdentityCrisis: 3/20/2017 10:55:07 PM
                          I'm not gonna lie, i don't really know what problem many of you are having. I rarely see sidearms in the crucible at all, on top of that i rarely see nlb or invective. When i am seeing people using this so called meta, it is not a problem a well shot But Not Forgotten, ether nova, or whatever primary i decide to use ( usually Boolean or Genesis chain) takes care of them with ease. My point is, i don't see a problem with this meta, just a bunch of whiny community members who still can't use a primary to save their life

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                          • I've vooped for all of RoI and after a bit of trial and error, I eventually made fusions my main secondary and it paired nice with the good Hawksaw that I didn't have. (I eventually had to use NLB lol) Can't use them at all in Trials, and it's ridiculously annoying trying to use them anywhere else. What I don't get is why Bungie brought down the special ammo economy. Was it just because of one gun? (Matador) If so, that's just flat out stupid.

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                          • Sidearm meta, pulse rifle meta... Give me a break, read about the very first balance attempt here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/223543797/0/0

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                          • Bring special back so 60 percent of kills come from snipers on Trials.... great diversity there.

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                            • No. I am finding a diversity in primary weapon usage. I am finding more and more players returning to their old special weapons after noticing that special ammo is actually available on a regular basis. Good luck and may RNG be forever in your favor.

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                              • Edited by Heatcanonbolt: 3/21/2017 3:53:30 PM
                                Trials matches are a minute and 30 seconds, not 2 mins. And besides, it would help regular crucible

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                                Special weapons need their ammo back. You'll Continue to see ice breaker, no land, and sidearms until other specials get ammo. Like you said, there will still be no incentive to use anything but a sidearm because theyll always have ammo on spawn. Honestly think bungie has no idea what they want when it comes to balancing pvp.

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                              • Edited by A Wicked Ewok: 3/21/2017 2:09:25 PM
                                Agree. All Bungie did was swap the old Meta (Matador + Mida or Clever Dragon) for a new one (sidearm + NLB/Icebreaker).

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                              • Yup game is trash now. No fun all.

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                                wormwood 18,58 % in last weeks trials...2.973.898 kills in 653.821 matches thats stupid

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