Did you find praedyth's ghost?

Maybe bungie can steal some vex tech so that the crucible won't lag

The vex are more so of natural force than a thing that can be controlled, but as praydeth said the vez have no hope, the vex will always serve the pattern. But since we saved them from the taken, how will this affect our timeline?

[quote]No, they clearly cant or else they'd have won long ago.[/quote] Anddddd this is where you lost all credibility, and anyone who knows anything about vex lore stopped reading. #TitanMasterRace

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Everything seems to have a scheme to live forever. The Vex included in that end goal. The Cabal immortalize themselves in their achievements, their empire, their warpath. Individually they will die, but their mark and their civilization will live on in glorious crusade. The Hive want to become immortal over the process of evolution, the weak feed the strong in an eternal cycle of perfection. Maybe, one day, that cycle will end and the perfect being will have dominated all life. But, personally, I don't think that will happen. The Fallen want to become machines, because machines don't expire like fleshy life dones, and then they won't need the ether. Which is more of a shackle than it is a life blood. Their 'gods' are simply objects that keep them alive and strengthen them. If they can keep themselves alive and become their own strength... they won't need gods. Well, it sounds better to say 'we're gods now'. The Vex have an ingenious way to live forever. They want to be a universal constant. A Cosmo. Something that simply is, always has been, and always will be. To not live within the universe, but to become it. Imagine, the whole universe, in all timelines, in all scenarios the Vex have become the solution. Every answer becomes the Vex. Everything controlled, monitored, maintained, willed to exist or be deleted at the whim of the Vex. Their enemy? Entropy, chaos, uncertainty, ignorance, and secrets. If you look at the cards, most (if not all) of their units are build for construction of certain things. Which is surprising. They are architects first, combatants second. If you can find a way to stop entropy, to halt chaos, to solve uncertainty, to pierce ignorance with all seeing eyes, and to know all the secrets there ever will be, how can you be defeated? That's why they have different timelines. They have to have all the answers, all the questions and its forms, answered. To leave a way to fail would be catastrophic. They can't understand the Light or the Dark because they are the essence of what the Vex fight against. The Light changes things, morphs planets, grants powers, from absolutely nothing. Nothing but 'light'. The Darkness is equally as chaotic. Evolving the Hive race, corrupting the mind and body, changing the fabric of time, infecting and piercing and throbbing wherever it goes, even granting machines 'faith' and 'will' beyond their own collective minds. It has no sense of order, it has no sense of finality or end design or plan (so far). It simply consumes, corrupts, and moves on. The Light sees things in terms of rebirth, renewal, and life. To build themselves again and become stronger. The Darkness sees things as energy, as food, as flesh to be consumed. Power to be moved from stomach to stomach, host to host. Knowledge is a similar form as well.There is no renewal. You refine yourself in your life, prey on the life around you, and become the strongest. The Vex see things in algorithms, not energy. A code here will make something happen there, everything that interferes is a virus. They see things as they are, how they should be, and what they will become. They do not desire to improve themselves. They remain constant. They remain the same. They desire to change everything around them. They are perfect, the universe is not. Yes, they can improve their chasis or their weapons. They can augment their armor and develop shields and improve their mobility. But they can't change what they are, who they are, what their thinking is. Their minds are static in a weird way. They comprehend knowledge as a means to an end. But do they understand that more and more knowledge is also supposed to encourage the way you think? Are they so old, so ancient, so hell bent on their goals, that they can't grasp another reality? This is also a weakness. If they do not change themselves fundamentally, they can only adapt by so much realistically. That is why they have to change their surroundings. They can't change their nature, but they can change the nature of everything else. The Light and Dark will shape themselves using their will and methods to become the best possible form to master the universe around them. Vex, however, will simply shape the universe around them to become their will. And I'm certain if they could change the Darkness and the Light, they would. It must infuriate them that they can't control it. -- Of course, this is just my on the spot speculation. I doubt I'm right, and this is anything but a lore post. But it's fun to think about.

The Vex may not be able to time travel yet but they are trying. I think they are trying to create a place separate from space and time

Could you explain why the vex cant comprehend rasputin? I read in a grimiore card that some researchers assumed if rasputin communicated to them they would not be in a vex simulation

Well, we kinda already know they're doomed because Praedyth told us in the game. But I DO have a question about Praedyth which I will ask in the lore section.

But Saint doesn't the Vex have physics and the Darkness on its side. Of course, the Vex does not have complete knowledge of the Darkness, but the Guardians don't have all the knowledge of the light (which is the entire part of the game). The Vex had served the Darkness before and the Book of Sorrows shows this. So is it possible that the Vex are separated in groups (Team Vault of Glass vs. Team Blackgarden)? Atheon does not work for the Darkness. In fact, he might hate the Darkness. What do you think?

In the paradox missions alternate ending (i think that's where it is anyway) you actually see the last of the vex, who have been taken and Praedyth actually says something along the lines of this is the last of the vex and the end of every one of their timelines.

Well you make two important assumptions. 1. If they could *time travel nonsense* they would have won long ago. This approaches the idea of winning from a very linear point of view. If they're capable of time travel then before and after have little meaning. Perhaps their goals aren't to be the last ones standing but to simply be present throughout all timelines. If, as you say, they deal more in alternate timelines then there is no reason to suppose that we exist in a timeline where they won't win. 2. Being unable to access the light or darkness is a handicap. Physics has one major benefit over light and darkness. Light and darkness are diametrically opposed forces. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that light and dark forces might suppress each other enough that the vex's superior control of physics could keep them at the top of the leaderboard. Its an interesting take on the Vex. You could be right, but your logic is hardly foolproof. There are far too many unknowns... just how Bungie wants it.

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what if the vex just want you to think that? Remember that grimoire card about the people thinking they are in simulation, but it wasn't, but it was. And there were multiple versions of themselves. It was very weird... Vex are weird.

Texas hold em isn't about the cards your dealt but how you play them. The Vex being spread out accross time and space have a stronger play of the field. To use your reference they are dealt the weaker hand but can clearly see what the others are playing with while theirs is still hidden so all they have to do is ride it out and wait for that moment to bet it big

What if the Vex are dealt rolled up Aces, and Light and Darkness get bricked on the flop, turn, and river. The Vex could still win. When my poor ass gets dealt rockets, I always get cracked.