Thought they were cr4p when I started playing and avoided them for a long time. Had a few from Banshee with rep tick and packages that made me re-assess, especially when AR’s started to become frustrating in Crucible. Has been my go to weapons for a few months, even before CD became a thing I disagree with many that say they are strong in PvP and not PvE. Bad Juju is very strong, but is clearly a more PvE centric gun, but I’ve been using 77/4 and 73/7 archetypes to great effect in strikes. 77/4 can rip through ammo a little quick if you have a mass wave, 73/7 edging them. I prefer my Aegis of the Reef over Hawksaw, but you really need weapon reload armor as that mag size is annoyingly small. Also performs well in Crucible I hope they don’t break these next week. The HCR argument has some validity, but they still operate well without, so I don’t care if they go. If they screw with the range and/or stability, it could make scouts the only ranged primary option, which would be a bad move adding this further restriction on options