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6/7/2010 3:07:28 AM
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Halo Reach FAILS September 14, 2010

If a game is made for players whom are 17+, why does Reach feel like it was designed for 10 year olds with ADD? Honestly, anyone can pick up this game and do reasonably well. It seems as Bungie is catering to a much younger audience that doesn't have the attention span to learn to play a game well. From in-game randomness such as bloom, over-powered grenades, armor abilities, ect., Halo Reach is simply dumbed down. Bungie, you may as well slap an E rating on this one, because your average fifth grader who just picked up the game can compete with dedicated players. Let's take me for an example: I was able to get on the early release of the beta (Lol), but I was only able to put a reasonable amount of time into the game on Friday (1 day after the beta was released). Luckily, I searched with some extremely talented Halo 3 players whom had spent all day and night playing. Early on while searching, we matched Halo 3 professionals, Enable and Flamesword. In Halo 3, they could have absolutely handed my ass to me. In Reach however, even though they had more than double my playtime, I only went -5, and -4. Honestly, if Reach wasn't catered to 10 year olds with ADD, I would have gone double digit negative. They should have wiped the floor with me, but we tied them once, and only lost by a small margin in the second game. Halo has always been an 18+ game. Sure there are groups like Bungle trying to dumb down the game to the point that a retarded chimp could have an orgasm playing it, but default gameplay is simply too basic. With the skill gap nearly gone, I don't know where to turn. I'm sure I'll get some trolling replies along the lines of "Don't buy it, you won't be missed," but if Reach stays this dumbed down I don't know if I'll purchase it. Default gameplay shouldn't be this basic, and hopefully Bungie will at least allow MLG a way to fix this currently broken game. Bungie, we don't want a game made for the 10 year olds with ADD, this is Halo. They have CoD. I understand this is a business, but simply put, you're ruining your integrity as a gaming developer. I feel like Reach will be a game that nobody will play more than a year, simply because of how basic the gameplay is. And those people that you're catering to, they bought Halo 3. Then, when the next shiny new title came out, they bought that too. I'm sure Reach will break every sales record evar, but that doesn't make it a good game. I can't imagine what this is like for the players who have been around since CE. I played a little Halo 2, and spent way too many hours on Halo 3, but this series is getting continually dumbed down. Regardless, in the slim chance an employee stops what they are doing to read this, good luck with your future projects. Thanks for your time. Edit 1: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=59366&player=Cosssta]Game Used as Evidence in OP[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=59979&player=Cosssta]Game 2[/url] [Edited on 06.06.2010 7:50 PM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Oh and your example about those Halo 3 pros barely beating you is laughably irrelevant. That's like saying "Joe is amazing at the guitar, but even I beat him at rock band. Rock Band takes no skill!" [/quote] Ya...rock band does take less skill than playing a guitar. Way to argue against yourself.[/quote] maybe he should have said something like "joe is amazing at guitar, but i can beat him at violin. violin takes no skill" its apples and oranges people, they arent the same game. skill at one does not translate to skill at another. especially in your first few games, when you dont know weapon and people spawns, the weapon mechanics, AA mechanics, map layout, and generally things they have changed
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  • The op is well written, somewhat thought out but invalid. 1. If the game catered to people with ADD they would stop playing because it supposedly takes too long to kill people. 2. Your whole argument revolves around you not getting raped by pros. This is invalid due to it being so early on in the beta that they wouldn't have known all the ins and outs of the gameplay. Even then they out slayed you. 3. Finally, look at the Arena ratings, yours is Onyx top 20%, they are both Onyx top 1%. If the game took no skill like you claim you would have been higher in the ratings. So, in conclusion, your post is well written etc but invalid due to these points.
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  • Costa we get it. You literally make this same thread once or twice a week. I agree Reach is going to suck but give it a rest already. You're choking these threads to death.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loserWith enough practice you'll be able to perfectly time a plasma grenade every time. You can hide in armor lock when there is an enemy near by. However, when you come out, that enemy is still gonna be right there unless help arrives, in which case the team with the better teamwork has an advantage.[/quote] That's not a counter. [/quote] ..... How? [/quote] Because throwing a grenade after they run out of time isn't a counter to them AL in the first place. At best, the counter in that scenario is you scratching your nuts and eating a sandwich while they strike a pose.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loserWith enough practice you'll be able to perfectly time a plasma grenade every time. You can hide in armor lock when there is an enemy near by. However, when you come out, that enemy is still gonna be right there unless help arrives, in which case the team with the better teamwork has an advantage.[/quote] That's not a counter. [/quote] ..... How? [/quote] The timing for the plasma grenade implies that the Locker is waiting for the full duration of his Lock. People like me got really good with Armor Lock and could use it as quick deflector shields for melee, grenades, rockets, and the Plasma Launcher.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down. [/quote] Non of these refute my point.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sir Brane Damuj You guys should stop being so concerned with your e-peens and just have fun with the game :)[/quote] I tried to have fun, but just plain couldn't. If every single game was Needle Rifle starts, I'd have a ball.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down. [/quote] You can't counter armor lock. You can stare angrily at them for a while, but you can't stop them.[/quote] Correction. You can't stop them while they're armour locking. That's the point. You can, however, wait a few seconds (god forbid!) and kill them when they come out.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loserWith enough practice you'll be able to perfectly time a plasma grenade every time. You can hide in armor lock when there is an enemy near by. However, when you come out, that enemy is still gonna be right there unless help arrives, in which case the team with the better teamwork has an advantage.[/quote] That's not a counter. [/quote] ..... How?
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  • You guys should stop being so concerned with your e-peens and just have fun with the game :)
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down. [/quote] You can't counter armor lock. You can stare angrily at them for a while, but you can't stop them.[/quote] With enough practice you'll be able to perfectly time a plasma grenade every time. You can hide in armor lock when there is an enemy near by. However, when you come out, that enemy is still gonna be right there unless help arrives, in which case the team with the better teamwork has an advantage.[/quote] That's not a counter.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down. [/quote] You can't counter armor lock. You can stare angrily at them for a while, but you can't stop them.[/quote] With enough practice you'll be able to perfectly time a plasma grenade every time. You can hide in armor lock when there is an enemy near by. However, when you come out, that enemy is still gonna be right there unless help arrives, in which case the team with the better teamwork has an advantage.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down. [/quote] You can't counter armor lock. You can stare angrily at them for a while, but you can't stop them.
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  • Yeah, bloom makes it so easy. Bye troll.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser So it is brain damage. [/quote] I would just like to note, because this is bound to come up over the next 8 or so pages, that you insulted me first. Just laying that out there.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.[/quote] Armor lock is easy to counter. If you're getting hammer sprinted, maybe you should have controlled the map better. And grenades are being toned down.
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  • So let me get this right. Because the "PUBLIC" BEAT had some features you don't like it a horrible game? "Let's hope MLG can fix this game" your words. Right there is were you lose all credibility in your opinion. You are Biased. And as far as I am concerned with you: I think you think the word skill can be tied to anything. OMG I can have a chance at playing the game because there are no "Pro" tactics now!!! The BETA was out for 2 weeks there is a lot that is not final in it and that is not long enuf time to figure out all the Mechanics (Witch are subject to change) I think you got all hot and botherd because of something you don't realize. This is not Halo 3.5. I will be happy with the others when you are sulking in halo 3. P.S. I hope I'm never as easly swayed as you were about meaningless crap. (You MLG Wanna-B.)
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote][/quote] Lol I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, either that or he is brain damaged.[/quote] [url=http://www.l4ppyloops.info/?id=433]Hey buddy...[/url][/quote] So it is brain damage.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Reach is much easier to win consistantly [/quote] No. Any moron can armour lock, sprint hammer and nade spam their way to victory in reach.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote][/quote] Lol I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, either that or he is brain damaged.[/quote] [url=http://www.l4ppyloops.info/?id=433]Hey buddy...[/url]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote][/quote] Lol I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, either that or he is brain damaged.[/quote] I don't see how sarcasm could fit in there. Grab bag is like h3 social where you match random people a lot. It's not hard in h3 social to go on long long streaks were you're winning 95%+ of your games and those losses only come from other parties of 50s(or party splits..sigh). Reach produces a lot of crap shoot results because it's very random.[/quote] Reach is much easier to win consistantly because 95% of people don't manage their reticle and they are basically free kills. In Halo 3 I could be beaten by a worse player, if he saw me first, but there is a much higher margin of error in Reach. There are much more ways you can screw up and keeping your reticle on the enemy isn't the only thing that matters. The only way Reach leveled the playing field is because everyone needs to adjust. Once people adjust, the skilled players will come out on top.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote][/quote] Lol I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, either that or he is brain damaged.[/quote] I don't see how sarcasm could fit in there. Grab bag is like h3 social where you match random people a lot. It's not hard in h3 social to go on long long streaks were you're winning 95%+ of your games and those losses only come from other parties of 50s(or party splits..sigh). Reach produces a lot of crap shoot results because it's very random. [Edited on 06.07.2010 1:00 AM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tsassi2 Only real reason you don't like Halo Reach is because you suck in it. If some kid beats you then you must suck so badly. You should stop playing FPS games they're too hard for you. [/quote] He's not a bad player. He's just mad because his BR is gone and that's the only weapon he used.
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  • Only real reason you don't like Halo Reach is because you suck in it. If some kid beats you then you must suck so badly. You should stop playing FPS games they're too hard for you.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NERF THE FRAGS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote][/quote] Lol I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, either that or he is brain damaged.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote]
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