The netcode has always been crap in PvP but I havent touched it in a while so can't speak on whether or not it has gotten worse and caused this upswing in threads. I sure hope not because that would be extremely bad. What I can say is that this latest patch did something to PvE. I'm using LFG every week - meaning that I end up in groups from all over the place - and at no point has that resulted in connectivity issues as bad as the ones we've had since the latest patch. Every wotm group I've been in has had issues - and I've been in a few due to the Aksis challenge. Even on all green pings we've had shanks teleporting and Aksis not responding to slams.

[quote]it is the fcking game everyone experiences lag and everybody gets screwed over by it[/quote] But this should not be the case. If everyone experiences it, don't you think Bungie should take a good, hard look at their net code? [quote]this isnt only sbbm's fault if you say your plays get lowered by it you guys are probably just trash[/quote] You're absolutely right. With one team having 2-3 red bars, one of which is teleporting, running into walls, yet still kills me despite Damage Referee, or the other green bars killing me while I try to evade the teleporter is because I'm bad. [quote]and the guys with high kd wanting it removed just want it to be even more easy for them maybe also if every game is laggy unplug your f*cking potato and use a real router[/quote] I don't have a high k/d (1.2ish), but would like SBMM removed. I loved Halo 2's settings. Most play lists should be unranked, and if I get beat, oh well, he was better than me. And in ranked playlists, it should have a rank next to them so I know how tough the fight is about to be. And not every game is laggy. I'd like to say that for the vast majority of my games, I'm green. But there are a lot of non greens in them, which is not my router's fault, but on their end (or Bungie's lack of dedicated servers).