What's best for the game? [b][i][u]Hunters[/u][/i][/b] [i]Bladedancer Changes[/i] - Arc Blade now does more damage to all enemies, including one-shot melees to all Supers - Blink nerf to recovery undone (both subclasses, BD & VW) - Backstab now ACTUALLY F*CKING WORKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO - Slightly reduced Skip Grenade speed - Flux Grenades now do more damage, but do not correct their course and do not do ANY damage if thrown at a target that is in melee range - Increased base Agility across all subclasses - Arc Blade now lasts longer - Arc Blade RT attacks can be activated midair - Arc Blade initial activation pushes away enemies, does not affect melee lunges - Decreased Arc Blade tracking on the ground, but midair tracking is more reliable for killing enemies actually within range of your Blade [i]Nightstalker[/i] - Smoke/Void grenade combo now rendered useless against Guardians by preventing movement hindrance when damaged by Void grenade - Getting hit with a Tether no longer f*cks with your aim [i]Gunslinger[/i] - Yeah, no, don't change anything [i][u][b]Warlocks[/b][/u][/i] [i]Stormcaller[/i] - Stormtrance damage "ticks" now do 2% less damage to enemy Guardians - Stormtrance now lasts longer [i]Sunsinger[/i] - Fusion grenades no longer correct course - Radiance lasts longer - Reduced severity of Fireborn nerf - Fusion grenades charge slower than other grenades in Radiance - Flame Shield rebuffed to previous tankiness, but does not affect melee damage done to the user whatsoever - Increased burn damage to PvE enemies [i]Voidwalker[/i] - Life Steal no longer triggers on hit unless critically wounded [b][i][u]Titans[/u][/i][/b] [i]Striker[/i] - Lightning grenades now have a clearly defined damage cone - Storm Fist Overload no longer can one-shot Guardians - Fist of Havoc only has damage resistance (overall) if activated from 3+ ft in the air or sprinting for 2 seconds (prevents some, not all, "oh shit" panic supers) [i]Sunbreaker[/i] - Shares Fusion grenade changes with Warlocks - Hammer of Sol lasts longer and has slightly increased blast radius - Thrown Hammers now do damage to the Tiran throwing them if they land too close - Hammers now do more damage the longer that they are in the air (encourages "artillery" role of Hammers) - Initial HoS activation pushes away enemies, does not negate melee damage or melee lunge of enemies - Slightly increased armor in HoS, can still be one-shotted by Arc Blade or taken down by Stormtrance, yet can also just as reliably destroy them at effective "mortar" range [i]Defender[/i] - Increased overall damage when inside Ward of Dawn (grants a fighting chance against Supers) - Ward of Dawn now slightly slows enemies going through it - Magnetic grenades no longer track

I think throwing knife should be a OHK if to the head because it's not like you can do that every time I use unlike Titan Melee which can OHK 3 people with one Melee (although that was very situational)

Two problems here:- 1) don't generalize. I main a hunter and do not advocate buffs. If anything I think Shinobus bow needs a nerf. 2) sunsingers are fine. Fantastic in pve and also very good in pvp, just got to use it right.

The only buff BD needs is for flux grenades to actually kill people

Mfw titans think that Hunters don't need buffs because their subclasses are borderline useless

Only fair after being nerfed endlessly. Watch the shinobus get nerfed too.

Most people want those buffs for pve not pvp, where the Nerf's have taken a toll on hunters. While bungie has increased dmg on golden gun, blade dancer has not had any corresponding buff. Blade dancers take the highest risk of any Guardian in pve, storm callers have distance. So yes Blade dancer should get a pve buff, a minion of the darkness should have to go through an over shield to kill a blade dancer. Alternately it should deal enough damage to completely house a non boss major or ultra enemy. High risk high reward. [spoiler]Again the biggest reason pvp and pve should be separated, this balancing nonsense would not adversely affect both. crucible weapons in pvp only, vanguard in pve only. And separate exotics as well, you can have tlw, chaperone, as well as bungie maybe getting creative for some really nice pvp oriented exotics. [/spoiler]

Only 1 I am going to defend is the throwing knife. That sucker deserves to be ohk. Outside of that, Hunters are good.

Isn't better to ask for buffs how ever daft for your class, than to shout for nerfs to others.

The only thing I want buffed for hunters is the trip mine damage.

Buff throwing knife again and I'll be a happy camper sonce everything else is completely fine. Give or take the backstab activating at front or side stabs.

I'll tell ya, titan needs to not be the only one that can get 3 increase sprint speeds .. not sure if they all stack, but I know mida and subclass node which increases sprint speed definitely does. If the boots which increase sprint speed stack with that it's over.. need to update those radiance dance machines. Most of all need to send a sprint speed increase perk the warlocks way. Not talking about surge or pulsewave either, need something to run around the tower quicker lol

Bladedancer needs fixed hit detection, and not only hunters are crying. Warlocks are plenty complaining as well.

All of the people that say either need buffs are people that can't use hunter correctly and are too paranoid to try out warlock or hunter. The only thing bladedancer would need is for it to actually have all of its hits connect instead of whiffing your knife

Dude with Shinobu's Vow hunters never need a buff again....