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8/29/2016 10:42:43 AM
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Setting the Record Straight On the So Called "Death Tax", and Why Abolishing it is A Stupid Idea

Hello everyone. You probably have heard of the Estate tax or the so called "Death Tax". Ok first off, the "Death Tax" slur is highly dishonest and completely ignores the whole premise and why it exists to begin with, so I'm gonna set the record of straight here on the so called "Death Tax". Let's first understand what the estate tax is: [b]The Estate Tax[/b] is a tax on your right to transfer property at your death. It consists of an accounting of everything you own or have certain interests in at the date of death. The includible property may consist of cash and securities, real estate, insurance, trusts, annuities, business interests and other assets. Currently the estate tax is set at 40%, what people often miss, is that only applies to [b].14%[/b] of the population, as it only applies to combined gross assets exceeding $10,860,000 for married couples, every dollar that exceeds the sums above is taxed 40%, so $10,860,001 for instance, would only receive a tax on 40c. So why does it exist? Simple: [b]To prevent a privileged aristocracy.[/b] It serves as a bulwark for unlimited wealth and [b]power[/b] handed down the generations, it's the same as inherited monarchy, the founding fathers understood this. Don't believe me? Well, let's ask "communist" Adam Smith: [quote]A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death.[/quote] Let's also ask Theodore Roosevelt, who declared that transmission of large wealth down to the next generation [quote]does not do them any real service and is of great and genuine detriment to the community at large.''[/quote] Abolishing the tax would give top .2% a tax cut of $3 million dollars and the give the 318 largest estates a windfall of $20 million, and it would cut revenues by $269 billion over the next decade. Which will mean one of two things: ballooning deficits or raising taxes on everyone else to fill the gap. This is a stupid idea because the wealthiest already have a larger portion of the nations wealth than any time since the gilded ages of the 1890s, do you really wanna go back to that?
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    • Taxed to earn it, taxed to spend it, taxed to die with it.... if you dont see a problem with that then you are a fool. There are so many taxes its disgusting.

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      • You just wait till the rich turn into cyborgs Then no more death tax

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      • Anyone who supports abolishing the estate tax supports spoiled brats getting handouts. I thought Republicans were against handouts?

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        • Edited by Recon Number 54: 8/29/2016 11:49:15 PM
          Let's do a hypothetical. Imagine that I've got some money. I earned it. Worked for it, got paid, income taxes were deducted, and what is left is now mine. I use some of that that money to buy some stuff. When I buy that stuff, I pay sales tax and all of the other relevant taxes on the stuff (car title, land taxes, whatever). I am a good guy and I don't want to break the law. But now I have some money (which has been taxed when it was given to me as earnings) and some stuff (which I paid taxes on not only when I purchased that stuff, but in some cases, (like property) I pay the taxes on the stuff every year). The taxes come from my money, but the money left and the stuff, it is mine. Right? Now I want to give that money and stuff away (some or all of it). It's my money, my stuff, I should be able to do what I want with it, right? Let's say that I want to give it to you. Now, I paid tax on the money (when I earned it), I paid tax on the stuff (both when I bought it and in some cases, as I continue to keep it). Tell me who is so wise, so powerful, so smart as to say "oh, that is so much stuff or so much money that if you want to give it to someone else, society needs, deserves and should take a cut"? It is mine. Not theirs. Taxes are already paid on both the money and the stuff. Because I decide to give it, it is open for being taxed again? And if it is (by someone's definition) "too much" then it gets taxed as a punishment on the person who I wanted to give it to? Okay, I guess that I won't give it away, I will put it offshore and THEN give it away, because I don't think my money or my stuff needs or deserves to be taxed an additional time just because someone is greedy, envious or thinks that they have more of a right to decide what happens to my property than I do.

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          • So you reason for death tax is so no one has a "new game +" advantage so to speak? Isn't the point of the American dream to create a better life for your children than what you had?

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          • TLDR: "hi I'm a liberal, and I think that taxation is good and the government is honest. Gee, I love giving my money to the government"

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            • It all goes straight into the Clinton Foundation anyways so I don't see the point here.

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            • Long read didn't do

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            • Not the governments place or business.

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            • So long as the middle class isn't taxed, Idgaf if the tax exists.

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              • $269 billion over a decade. Do you even realize what an insignificant amount of money that is? Nah, the government deserves that money more than the families who earned it. All hail government.

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                • [quote]Abolishing the tax would give top .2% a tax cut of $3 million dollars and the give the 318 largest estates a windfall of $20 million[/quote] Cutting a tax doesn't "give" anything. It doesn't "give a windfall." That is their money. A tax cut means their assets are not being seized, not that someone is "giving" them something. [quote]This is a stupid idea because the wealthiest already have a larger portion of the nations wealth than any time since the gilded ages of the 1890s, do you really wanna go back to that?[/quote] Well, I was walking from my dust bowl shack out to the water pump in the yard to fill a tin tub so I could heat it over firewood to give my baby a bath, when - oh, wait. I meant to say, I am taking a break from my Xbox and 55" TV to type this reply on my smartphone as I enjoy the central AC. I had Chocolate Cheerios with soy milk for breakfast. Should I drive the Jeep or ride the motorcycle today? I need to go to the rally to jump up and down screaming how I hate rich people for making my life so difficult.

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                • Does it really bother you other people have money? You do realize that the amount of wealth in this world is not finite? Every service provided, raw material turned into final product, and investment made creates more wealth. It doesn't transfer wealth, it creates it. If the wealth is used to provide more service, more products, more investments it will create more wealth exponentially. Once again wealth is not accumulated by stealing from the pockets of others, but by creating, providing, or investing so others may create and provide. Also $270 billion in a decade is a drop in the bucket of government spending.

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                  • Yet the wealthiest find loopholes, trust funds, whatever. The Rockefellers and Rothchilds have ruled, still rule and will rule. It seems more like a way to reign in the "nouveau-riche" than the families that have been pulling the strings behind the scenes for generations.

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                  • Less is more.

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                  • Tldr: Rich people have too much money, therefore a significant portion of it should be taken from them upon their deaths in order to fund the even more irresponsible spending and unnecessary bureaucracy.

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                    • Thank you for spelling this out for people

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                    • Tldr?

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                    • Thank you for making a decent argument. Not sure if I agree, but you made me think...

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                    • Everything i hear from conservatives leads me to believe they in fact do want to return to the guilded age and in fact some people have talked about the gilded age with a lense of romantic era passions

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                      • https://youtu.be/bJwUaVDIPXg Heres milton friedman i base most of my economic beliefs off him and adam smith and btw adam smith was the guy who basically invented free market capitalism hes no commie. Basically milton friedman states why youre wrong if i grabbed the right link. A tax on what people leaves to their family incentivises people to not save for family it makes people selfish. A sales tax is all we should have imo although milton friedman believed in the progressive tax rate which is income tax but hey thats pretty much all him and i disagree on economically

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                      • Your an ignorant fool. Taxes period were implemented after our govt figured out they could implement them under the premise they would be temporary. Income tax to help pay for ww2. Social security during great depression. Its all so that the govt can spend your hard earned money on shit they want to get votes. Hell our country was founded on no taxation without representation. So you think working your ass off and then letting the govt get half when you die is a good idea? And I don't care what the limit is what's stopping them from eventually taxing everyone when they die. The reason our country is in debt is due to when nixon took us off gold standard. Gave our country a blank check to print money unchecked. Read your history before posting ignorant crap like this op.

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                        • Or quit central government involvement and overspending which creates a large deficit which causes the middle class to continually be taxed into poverty. How the government, or anyone, believes they have a right to someone's private property is downright socialistic. The estate that remains after the owner passes is Post-tax - meaning the estate has already paid its share to the federal, state, and local level. Since you listed historical figures, you do realize at heart of the American Revolution was the principal of overtaxation - in this case without proper representation. You do see that a very significant proportion of American citizens are beginning to feel the same way.

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