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Edited by BogleClan: 6/16/2016 12:29:33 AM
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The State Of Pulse Rifles, and What Needs To Change

These are just my opinions on how pulse rifles are right now, and what can be done to make them more balanced between their archetypes. First off, a quick breakdown of what the archetypes are at now for those who may not know. [b]1. Lowest ROF[/b]: This is your Spare Change, Messenger archetype. This does the most damage in one burst, and is capable of killing in two bursts with good accuracy. [b]2. Lower ROF[/b]: The Nirwen's Mercy, PDX-41 and Red Death belong here. This type can three burst reliably, and can two burst low-armored guardians. [b]3. Medium ROF[/b]: This is currently the strongest archetype, with both the Hawksaw and PDX-45 reigning here. Right now, these guns can three burst just like the lower ROF, but gets the benefits of a higher fire rate and kill time. [b]4. Highest ROF[/b]: Just trailing behind the likes of Hawksaw, this is where you'll find Grasp Of Malok, and Praydeth's Timepiece if you go back that far. These weapons can four burst very reliably, and can three burst with perfect accuracy to the head. Now, these are what I currently think about these guns. First off, the vendor Hawksaw is one of the best and most reliable weapons in the game. While it's nice to have a gun this good and reliable, it as caused the lower ROF archetypes to be left in the dust. This, in my opinion, is a shame. While pulse rifles are much more balanced than they used to be, only two kinds are being used right now. I am very hopeful that all pulse rifles can have viability in the future, since they are my favorite primary type. While I'm not an expert on damage percentages, here is what I think each archetype should be capable of. [b]Lowest ROF[/b]: These guns should be just a little more accurate than what they are now. While I think that the damage is fine, I just want a [u]little[/u] more consistency. While I definitely don't want these guns to be as strong as The Messenger once was, they could benefit from a slight stability buff. [b]Lower ROF[/b]: The problem with this archetype is this: it can three burst, but so can Hawksaw. What I'd like to see is this type being capable of a two burst kill on even the highest-armored guardians. However, every last bullet must hit the head. This type also seems to have harder kick compared to other types, so making the recoil ever so slightly better would be wonderful. [b]Medium ROF[/b]: I am of the belief that this type of pulse should still be able three burst; however, the likes of Hawksaw and PDX-45 do it way too frequently and accurately. While I think that the base range and stability is in a decent place, leave the almost guaranteed three-bursts to the Nirwen's Mercy, please. [b]Highest ROF[/b]: This variety of pulse rifle is one of the most fun to use. Snag one with full auto and high stability, and you're in for a great time. However, I'm not sure if this gun should be allowed to three-burst kill at all. With a fire rate like this, the kill time just seems ridiculous when all shots hit the head. However, this is pretty rare to achieve so I'm not sure how to go about this. Hopefully Bungie does. This is how I feel pulse rifles should act. When you're looking for a good pulse rifle to rely on, you should be focused on what your rate of fire should be in terms of play style, not kill time. In fact, there should only be a very small difference between kill times in regards to their effective ranges. [b]Something To Consider About Nerfs And Buffs[/b] Whether my ideal changes happen or not, Bungie has a fairly large decision to make in regards to how to balance everything, not just pulse rifles. To use pulse rifles as an example, they need to decide if they want to nerf the better archetypes, or buff the worse ones. And if they decide to do both, then to what degree? From what I've seen, most of our community has been vocal about wanting to buff worse options, rather than nerf the better ones. The problem with that logic is that if the kill times get raised too high from constant buffs, the game starts to feel more like Call Of Duty. While I have nothing against those games, I don't want Destiny to be like that. On the other end of the spectrum, If you nerf everything, nothing feels powerful anymore and the gameplay can become too slow as a result. As for what the answer is to this question, I honestly don't know. I personally would prefer the average kill time to stay close to same, but I'm only one person. Therefore, it is up to us community members to decide what we want, and be vocal to Bungie once we do decide. Thank you for reading this lengthy bit of opinion, and feel free to share yours too. Be vocal, bold, and respectful, and I promise that you'll be heard.

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  • Nirwens type pulses should b a bit Stronger. Slower fire rate than hawk saw type and same 3 burst kill just doesn't make sense. Stabilty and/or recoil isn't a problem though with the slower fire rate it falls back to original position before your next shot. Slight damage boost and that would be sufficient I think. I still stubbornly use nirwens I love the feel and scopes my favorite gun.

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  • I think buff low ROF, I used Allfate in y1 and mercy in y2 and they are in a good plan

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  • Look, I understand that you guys are defensive about the whole thing due to your mentality of if one person says something about Hawksaw, Bungie will nerf it into the ground. While I get where you're coming from, saying avoid all pulse rifles to keep your favorites good is pretty selfish. I'm not saying nerf Hawksaw to the ground, which is what you guys seem afraid of. I'm saying that I want all archetypes to be good, not just two. The fact that I can't use my god roll Nirwen's Mercy because I always get outgunned by the other archetypes is idiotic to me. So sorry, but I don't intend on shutting up about it. Hawksaw and Grasp is a ton of fun to use right now, but ignoring the other half of pulse rifles doesn't fly by me.

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  • Bungie has no spine! They will do whatever you post. So seriously! SHUT THE -blam!- UP!!!! Pulse rifles are good fun right now

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  • Buff accuracy on low rof and increase damage on the damage perks. If a badger ccl can 2 shot consistently with damage perks so should a low rof pulse. Other than that keep the others the same. Problem solved and shorter explanation.

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  • Edited by I Got Optimism: 6/16/2016 12:35:23 AM
    I think we should all just stop worrying about destiny and go play real life, lol jk

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  • Edited by A485258: 6/16/2016 12:36:44 AM
    I presume you like pulse rifles based on the nature of your post. So I say the following without any disrespect. Don't say anything. Keep it to yourself. You should be happy that Bungie has left two archetypes viable and that the vendor Hawksaw is as good as it is. The only thing you're doing is inviting Bungie to nerf the remaining pulse rifles that are viable. Are you not aware by now how Bungie operates? Please stop. I'd also add your post fails to address pulse rifles relative to other weapons. It's inane to "balance" the Hawksaw when the net effect would be that pulse rifles, would again become weaker relative to the other three primaries.

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  • No...stop

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