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THE NEW IP Bungie Formula:Durandal, Cortana, Joyeuse?
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[u]THIS IS A REVISED VERSION![/u]
[quote][u]PLEASE FAVORITE THIS THREAD FOR FURTHER UPDATES![/u][/quote]
The vast majority of my edits are due to [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=40929715&postRepeater1-p=8#41730446]Ender's post here[/url] among others. I will cite him as much as possible in here.
[quote]"My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal."[/quote]
[b]Reader's Digest Version-ish[/b]
This quote is the focus of my theory for a "formula" for Bungie trilogies. The quote above speaks of three famous swords that had once come together in battle. The three swords seem to correspond with two of the AIs from Marathon (Durandal) and Halo (Cortana). The third sword, Joyeuse, is the mystery AI and holder. If the first two swords can be proven to purposely correspond with the game characters, then perhaps Joyeuse and its holder (Charlemagne) is what the new IP's characters will be like.
This theory also ties into several other theories. But in order to connect them while making sense, I must explain how and why the AIs and their swords correspond.
As you read, keep [url=http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Pfhorpedia[/url] handy if you're not in tune with the Marathon universe. While we're at it, [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]this[/url] and [url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/]this[/url] may come in handy.
IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MARATHON TRILOGY YOURSELF: Download the games through [url=http://source.bungie.org/index.php?title=Get_Marathon]Aleph One[/url].
We'll be talking a lot of Marathon in here, my friends. So to set the mood:
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Dear reader,
This is going to be a huge post. A [i]good[/i] post, but a long one. I mean, this [i]will[/i] take several slots to cover. So, grab a nice cup of coffee and a pair of reading glasses or something that will keep you awake and in your chair. Until the coffee passes though.
[b]I will also ask you to take this thing with a pinch of salt[/b]. I don't know if this is the truth in its entirety, and you probably don't either. Unless you're someone like Joe Staten or Jason Jones who's [i]really[/i] bored on a coffee break and stumbled upon this thing. Then, of course, you'd know if this is dumb speculation or not. Wishful thinking, right?
[u]Please, please, please!!![/u] Give me feedback on this, tell me about anything you may dig up on this stuff, and if any of my facts/lore/spelling/[b]grammer[/b]/bad jokes/historical events are incorrect.
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[quote]Durandal-Durendal (Endurance- True definition unknown)*[/quote]
*The name probably comes from the French verb "durer", "to endure".
[u]Sword Info:[/u] In The Song of Roland, the sword is said to contain within its golden hilt one tooth of Saint Peter, blood of Saint Basil, hair of Saint Denis, and a piece of the raiment of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the poem, *[i]Roland attempts to break Durendal by smiting it against a marble block ten times. This proves fruitless. The myth of him creating La Brèche is merely a folktale of the land. It is not stated as such in La Chanson de Roland (The Song of Roland).[/i]
According to Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando Furioso it once belonged to Hector of Troy, and was given to Roland by Maugris. *[i]Orlando Furioso is a work created centuries after La Chanson do Roland. In La Chanson, it is made clear that Charlemagne was given instructions by the angel Gabriel to let Roland wield Durendal.[/i]
By Ender.
In [i]Marathon[/i], Durandal [u]told the player[/u] that he did not want to suffer the same fate as Leela, so he asked to be destroyed.* The player finds out that Durandal was not actually destroyed, just as Roland couldn't destroy the sword. (Note that the fate of Leela turned out to be completely different and that Durandal didn't actually want to be destroyed. He was loopy and rampant.)
*[i]Please note that Durandal's request to be destroyed was part of a plot of his own, and not an honest request and that Leela was not actually destroyed either.[/i]
[b]Holders:[/b] Hector of Troy and Count Roland
Note: [i]MRN54 [url=http://www.marathon.org/story/mjolnir.html]may or may not be you[/url].[/i]
[u]Hector of Troy & Mjolnir Recon Number 54[/u] (Not the forum ninja)
Hector was a Trojan prince and the greatest fighter of Troy in the Trojan War and the son of Priam and Hecuba, a descendant of Dardanus (son of Zeus and Electra). Because Hector was a descendant of several gods, he would in theory be a hybrid of sorts. The parallel here is that MRN54 [i]is[/i] a cyborg and a fighter.
From Marathon.Bungie.Org:
[quote] There are those references to your physical ability:
[i]You slam your fist in frustration onto the control panel[/i](Manual page 2)
Whether this is of significance or not depends largely on what material the control panel is made of. We have no information on this.
[i]It's funny, but you've always been the colony's trouble shooter. You're bigger and stronger, and a better shot. In games, you always scored the most points and looked the hero.
(Manual page 2)[/i]
[/quote].
[quote] Alas! the gods have lured me on to my destruction. ... death is now indeed exceedingly near at hand and there is no way out of it- for so Zeus and his son Apollo the far-darter have willed it, though heretofore they have been ever ready to protect me.} My doom has come upon me; let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter." -Spoken by Hector facing Achilles, after a missed spear-throw, The Iliad Book XXII Lines 299-305.[/quote]
This quote could represent the AIs in the trilogy toying and luring the player towards his destruction or towards their will. The AIs had protected the player for their plans, and in a sense, the player was doomed to what they had in store for him.
[u]Count Roland & MRN54:[/u]
The tale of Roland's death is retold in the eleventh century poem [i]The Song of Roland[/i], where he is equipped with an unbreakable sword, enchanted by various Christian relics, named Durendal. As said earlier, Roland couldn't break the sword, just as MRN54 couldn't break Durandal throughout the trilogy. Orlando Furiouso (among other works) includes Roland's battle with a Saracen giant named Ferracutus who is only vulnerable at his navel. The W'rkncacnter; a being(s) seemingly indestructible may have been a reference to Ferractus. The Sacren's navel may have been represented by activating a Jjaro station to trap the W'rkncacnter. [quote] [i]To stop the Pfhor from their folly and our demise, you must activate the ancient station that Yrro used eons ago to trap the W'rkncacnter. If we can activate it in time, it will crush the Pfhor fleet before we're all destroyed.[/i]
*You Think You're Big Time? You're Gonna Die Big Time! (Terminal 1)*[/quote]
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ender
If we restrict our view to the first Marathon game, it is more likely that the Ferracutus analogy is to The Pfhor. They are larger in numbers, more technologically advanced, and ready to squash us. We, however, find that they rely heavily on the S'pht slaves they captured. Durandal instructs us to free them and we do so, allowing a rebellion to unfold, crushing the Pfhor attack.[/quote]
At last, a confirmation (one of many) of the connection between Roland's sword and your well behaved AI (Yes, that was sarcasm):
The first terminal on Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! relates the tale of Count Roland, who near death, attempts to break his sword to prevent it from being taken by the Saracens.
[quote][i]Count Roland smites upon the marble stone;
I cannot tell you how he hewed it and smote;
Yet the blade breaks not nor splinters, though it groans;
Upward to heaven it rebounds from the blow.
When the count sees it never will be broke,
Then to himself right softly he makes moan;
'Ah, Durandal, fair, hallowed, and devote,
What store of relics lies in thy hilt of gold!'
-From The Song of Roland
(Translated by Dorothy Sayers, Viking Penguin, NY, NY, 1957)[/i]
*Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! (Terminal 1)*[/quote]
[u]Roland and Charlemagne references by Durandal:[/u]
-[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/sphtkr.html#Feel%20the%20Noise]Feel the noise[/url]
-[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/roland.html]Roland[/url]
By gathering this information, I can say with confidence that Durandal is [i]defiantly[/i] the spitting AI image of the sword Durendal, and that it's holders Roland and Hector are the inspiration for MRN54's situation involving the AIs in Marathon; specifically Durandal.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn There's still the possibility that Bungie's new IP will have no AIs in it at all, or whether it'll even be on par with Marathon or Halo...but that's unlikely seeing as they've found a formula that seems to work for them really well. But still, if it turns out there's no connections we can make for Charlemagne or Joyeuse, then I'll probably keep my eyes open in the future for any new IPs from Bungie that follow this pattern. ...maybe the Giant Slingshot will begin launching once all 3 AIs have been "brought together" or "released within games". Speculation ahoy! Hm, I wonder if Pimps at Sea has any connections to Charlemagne/Joyeuse. Maybe once we get more info on P@S we'll find out![/quote]Perhaps there will be several series like Oni and Myth between the AI trilogies? AI can also simply take the place of "sidekick" or secondary character. Cortana and Durandal count as such.
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There's still the possibility that Bungie's new IP will have no AIs in it at all, or whether it'll even be on par with Marathon or Halo...but that's unlikely seeing as they've found a formula that seems to work for them really well. But still, if it turns out there's no connections we can make for Charlemagne or Joyeuse, then I'll probably keep my eyes open in the future for any new IPs from Bungie that follow this pattern. ...maybe the Giant Slingshot will begin launching once all 3 AIs have been "brought together" or "released within games". Speculation ahoy! Hm, I wonder if Pimps at Sea has any connections to Charlemagne/Joyeuse. Maybe once we get more info on P@S we'll find out!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] matman25402 My god, it took me like a good half hour to read all this. Good work there.[/quote]Heh, yeah. At first it wasn't meant to be so long, but I threw that out of the window. :3
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My god, it took me like a good half hour to read all this. Good work there.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guscon Mercy me, very nice read :) First, to get it out the way, and [i]only[/i] because you asked:[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 [u]Please, please, please!!![/u] Give me feedback on this, tell me about anything you may dig up on this stuff, and if any of my facts/lore/spelling/[b]gramm[u]a[/u]r[/b]/bad jokes/historical events are incorrect.[/quote] Now, onto more important things. I'm now very much in favour of referring to the protagonist of the next game as 'Charlemagne' :) Remember, however, that Bungie released Myth and Oni between Marathon and Halo. Might a Joyeuse reference not have occured in one of those games? I have not played Myth, so I cannot speak with any authority on that, but I don't seem to be able to make any easy parallels with Konoko and Charlemagne. That and the fact that both Durandal and Cortana are AIs, and that there have only been two IPs featuring AIs from Bungie so far (Unless Shinitama counts?), suggests that the Joyeuse character hasn't yet been used. I liked the point about the references in the games to the player character. The luckiest, or the one who dies a thousand deaths. [/quote] The thing with Myth and Oni is that the universes they're set in aren't of the same theme as Marathon and Halo. I thought about Shinitama as a possible Joyeuse, but I don't know a ton about her in the first place. With Konoko and Charlemagne, I couldn't make much of a connection between the two. But, it should be something that we look into more. [quote]As a parting remark, the King of Hearts in a pack of cards is meant to represent Charlemagne :)[/quote]That's so awesome.
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Mercy me, very nice read :) First, to get it out the way, and [i]only[/i] because you asked:[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 [u]Please, please, please!!![/u] Give me feedback on this, tell me about anything you may dig up on this stuff, and if any of my facts/lore/spelling/[b]gramm[u]a[/u]r[/b]/bad jokes/historical events are incorrect.[/quote] Now, onto more important things. I'm now very much in favour of referring to the protagonist of the next game as 'Charlemagne' :) Remember, however, that Bungie released Myth and Oni between Marathon and Halo. Might a Joyeuse reference not have occured in one of those games? I have not played Myth, so I cannot speak with any authority on that, but I don't seem to be able to make any easy parallels with Konoko and Charlemagne. That and the fact that both Durandal and Cortana are AIs, and that there have only been two IPs featuring AIs from Bungie so far (Unless Shinitama counts?), suggests that the Joyeuse character hasn't yet been used. I liked the point about the references in the games to the player character. The luckiest, or the one who dies a thousand deaths. As a parting remark, the King of Hearts in a pack of cards is meant to represent Charlemagne :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ODST27 Definitely interesting. Though, it seems to me like you're switching between who Charlemagne represents. Sometimes you say he's the Arbiter and other times you say he's the new IP's character. Unless I misunderstood you.[/quote]Oh no, you got it right. The thing is, representation can take the form of many. It's all about inspiration and placement. It's not saying that Charlemagne represents only one character because that would be silly. Elements of Charlemagne will exist in a bunch of characters, but I think the intention of this theory was basically to show where Bungie *may very likely* be gaining inspiration for their most recent work.[/quote]Zing! ODST27 is correct. I [i]did[/i] compare Charlemagne to the unknown character and the Arbiter. I should have clarified that. John takes the words out of my mouth a lot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ODST27 Definitely interesting. Though, it seems to me like you're switching between who Charlemagne represents. Sometimes you say he's the Arbiter and other times you say he's the new IP's character. Unless I misunderstood you.[/quote]Oh no, you got it right. The thing is, representation can take the form of many. It's all about inspiration and placement. It's not saying that Charlemagne represents only one character because that would be silly. Elements of Charlemagne will exist in a bunch of characters, but I think the intention of this theory was basically to show where Bungie *may very likely* be gaining inspiration for their most recent work.
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Definitely interesting. Though, it seems to me like you're switching between who Charlemagne represents. Sometimes you say he's the Arbiter and other times you say he's the new IP's character. Unless I misunderstood you.
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I find this relevant, for sure. when you talked about Charlemagne's father, it made me think of Dr. Halsey. If Pepin the Short was basically the AI Joyeuse's brain donor, then perhaps that's what made Joyeuse or the holder so great? Ah, that sound confusing... Anyways, that [i]is[/i] a very good chunk of facts! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shoot U up Hmm. Well written, intelligently thought out, and very, very plausible. I enjoy the fact that this is more of a predictor-y thread, rather than a thread that looks back on the games to analyze their minute details. That being said, the comparison between a possible new character and Karl der Grosse (What we call Charlemagne in my German class.) intrigues me. Charlemagne was a rather interesting fellow. For instance, perhaps this new AI could be far more advanced. Charlemagne was a warrior in his own right, but his father and grandfather were a large part of what made him Holy Roman Emperor. His grandfather, Charles Martel [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel[/url], was instrumental in stopping the invading Saracens. (He won the Battle of Tours.) I'm going off on a random tangent, and this probably makes no sense, but Cortana was instrumental in stopping the Covenant invasions, was she not? Seems like a decent parallel to me. Pepin the Short, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_the_Short[/url] Charlemagne's father, gave the Papal States to the pope, which is kind of like giving the Colonies to humanity, or something. I have no idea if this is relevant, but your theory put me on a tangent, and I enjoyed rambling. Thank you very much, CortanaV, SonicJohn, and Lord Snakie. (Thank you for sending the message on xbox live, as well, Cortana.) [/quote]
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Hmm. Well written, intelligently thought out, and very, very plausible. I enjoy the fact that this is more of a predictor-y thread, rather than a thread that looks back on the games to analyze their minute details. That being said, the comparison between a possible new character and Karl der Grosse (What we call Charlemagne in my German class.) intrigues me. Charlemagne was a rather interesting fellow. For instance, perhaps this new AI could be far more advanced. Charlemagne was a warrior in his own right, but his father and grandfather were a large part of what made him Holy Roman Emperor. His grandfather, Charles Martel [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel[/url], was instrumental in stopping the invading Saracens. (He won the Battle of Tours.) I'm going off on a random tangent, and this probably makes no sense, but Cortana was instrumental in stopping the Covenant invasions, was she not? Seems like a decent parallel to me. Pepin the Short, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_the_Short[/url] Charlemagne's father, gave the Papal States to the pope, which is kind of like giving the Colonies to humanity, or something. I have no idea if this is relevant, but your theory put me on a tangent, and I enjoyed rambling. Thank you very much, CortanaV, SonicJohn, and Lord Snakie. (Thank you for sending the message on xbox live, as well, Cortana.)
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Owh My [i]Eyes![/i] Anyways nice job Cortana nice job, a lot of info I'll say! Haha. Good Day, GodzNeighbor! (XBL)
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Omg, starting to read riet nao. >.> Long read I see, very nice Cortana. Brb while I read.
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thats alot of yummy data Cort...but my brains too full! ill come back for seconds in a bit...=D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mikey Starr 340 :O One tiny little thing I don't agree with. [quote]MRN54: You're a security officer on the Marathon being pushed around by three AIs[/quote] Should be [i]two[/i] AIs Leela was guiding and helping the security officer during the attack on the marathon to repel the attack on the marathon. Durandal [i]did[/i] use the security office and other humans but in the long run it helped humanity. Not much to say about Tycho in [i]Marathon Infinity[/i] he uses the security officer to take control of a Pfhor fleet. Other than that wonderful post.[/quote]Ah, I guess you're right. But you did take orders from Leela... I guess. :P Thank you![/quote] But not pushed around. EDIT: Edit that part kthxbailol [Edited on 01.30.2010 3:24 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mikey Starr 340 :O One tiny little thing I don't agree with. [quote]MRN54: You're a security officer on the Marathon being pushed around by three AIs[/quote] Should be [i]two[/i] AIs Leela was guiding and helping the security officer during the attack on the marathon to repel the attack on the marathon. Durandal [i]did[/i] use the security office and other humans but in the long run it helped humanity. Not much to say about Tycho in [i]Marathon Infinity[/i] he uses the security officer to take control of a Pfhor fleet. Other than that wonderful post.[/quote]Ah, I guess you're right. But you did take orders from Leela... I guess. :P Thank you!
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:O One tiny little thing I don't agree with. [quote]MRN54: You're a security officer on the Marathon being pushed around by three AIs[/quote] Should be [i]two[/i] AIs Leela was guiding and helping the security officer during the attack on the marathon to repel the attack on the marathon. Durandal [i]did[/i] use the security office and other humans but in the long run it helped humanity. Not much to say about Tycho in [i]Marathon Infinity[/i] he uses the security officer to take control of a Pfhor fleet. Other than that wonderful post. [Edited on 01.30.2010 3:14 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Already read it. It's an awesome read. Seriously. Read it. Nao! [u]I think the section dedicated to me is a pretty good read too.[/u] I'm usually not a fan of things that are this long, but damn it if I don't feel enlightened or inspired.[/quote]You [i]would[/i].
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._. Holy essay length batman.
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You weren't kidding when you said long... I'll save it and read it later. I don't have much time right now.
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My brain....so much awesome info.....Epic post Cortana. =)
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Already read it. It's an awesome read. Seriously. Read it. Nao! I think the section dedicated to me is a pretty good read too. I'm usually not a fan of things that are this long, but damn it if I don't feel enlightened or inspired.
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***[u]What can we infer about the sword and its holder from this information?[/u] Well, it's best to pick out the big things that make Joyeuse so iconic. I'm going to speak as if a possible character named Joyeuse is an AI, here. There are two possible locations of the sword; buried or locked up in a treasury. Either way, this would imply that the AI is locked up for some reason or another. Perhaps it went rampant and could not be truly killed off, but only contained? According to legend, the town of Joyeuse in Ardèche, is supposedly named after the sword: Joyeuse was allegedly lost in a battle, and retrieved by one of the knights of Charlemagne; to thank him, Charlemagne would have granted him an appanage named Joyeuse. Perhaps the AI Joyeuse was a battle AI and its ship went down, but was rescued. A rescue of an AI would be crucial, seeing that one would not want his enemies' hands on his AI packed full of precious information. Such a rescue would certainly be a means for a reward. Maybe the knight who recovered Joyeuse could count as a holder. If a game (or part of one) was set up around rescuing the AI Joyeuse, then perhaps the player is the nameless knight. Which [i]would[/i] make sense. From the time of Marathon to Halo, the character has been mysterious and without much of a past (disregarding the Halo books that include backstory). The inscription the sword holds may support this theory. "Anyone's sword" could mean that anyone could pick it up and use it, the knight included. The inscription may also imply that the AI may be a freelancer in some sense. A freelance AI may mean rampancy, thus why it was being contained in a grave or treasury. On the subject of [b]Charlemagne[/b], assuming the game character is not the parallel to the knight who recovered Joyeuse, perhaps the player is of some influence already? Although MRN54 and Master Chief have mysterious pasts and basically no faces to their names, it's possible that each new character progressively gets more of a background. Take for example: MRN54: You're a security officer on the Marathon being pushed around by Tycho and Durandal. That's pretty much all we know about you. Master Chief: You're a hero, badass cyborg/supersoldier, ect. Charlemagne: You conquered Europe and have enough of a history that requires a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne]Wikipedia page[/url]. See? Each new character has more and more history to them. Of course, this is assuming the next player is intended to have much of a history. That or Master Chief was just special in his own little way by having a history. ^_^ ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** [quote]***[u]Story Inferences[/u]***[/quote] According to Ender: [quote] Roland and Ogier are both in fact there at this time. It is immediately following this encounter that he, Roland (as Orlando), and Olivier (as Oliver) are knighted. There may be an issue here, though. If we take La Chanson de Roland as correct in when Roland obtained Durendal, he would not have had it at this point. If we take Bulfinch's as correct, he DOES have Durindana in his possession, as he is given it by Charlemagne when knighted. I suppose we must utilize Bulfinch's for this particular analysis.[/quote]So somewhere in there, all the swords have been united in one place at last, albeit possibly a short lived union. [i]"My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal."[/i] But what is the steel in the Bungie universe? I'm confident that the steel that we speak of is that Durandal, Cortana, and Joyeuse are AIs, just as Durendal, Curtana, and Joyeuse are swords (of the same steel and temper :P). But an even stronger connection is that all three AI characters are (will be) made by Bungie. [i]In Conclusion... v1[/i] It does not matter how a new IP's plot specifically turns out, but if my theory is correct the events in the new IP would parallel what happened with the sword Joyeuse and the man Charlemagne. I could go on and on about SO MANY things in the Bungie universe that are connected because of Curtana's inscription, but I'd exhaust my posting powers. Perhaps another time, yes? [quote]Thank you...[/quote] First off, I'd like to thank Lord Snakie. His [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33340499]exceedingly large[/url] theories have given me the inspiration to post this. On top of that, he helped out a lot with this whole thing, and I don't think I'd have much motivation to do this without his encouragement. SonicJohn was also a great person to have around for help. This guy knows his stuff and I couldn't have gone through the rough draft of this post as well as he did. Love, Cortana [i]XOXOXOX[/i] [u]Sources:[/u] - [url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/]Marathon.Bungie.Org[/url]- "Facts and puzzling things about" was the main page where my information was from. - [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtana]Wikipedia.org[/url]- Seriously, guys. A lot of the information on the swords and holders was from Wikipedia. I mean I [i]pasted[/i] stuff from there. I'm not [i]that[/i] amazing! - [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=13879867]"Where in the world is Master Chief?"[/url]- by Phermaker; sent to me by Lord Snakie - [url=http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Pfhorpedia[/url]- As much as I love MBO, this site made things a lot easier to find. - [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]HaloPedia[/url]- I'm glad this was around to show that I wasn't totally nuts when writing this whole thing. - [url=http://bungie.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]BungiePedia[/url]- Sexy awesome fun in the form of a wiki. - [url=http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/34563]"Bungie's love letter to gamers"[/url] by Duoae. - I need to thank the man who wrote this. - [url=http://halo.bungie.org/]Halo.Bungie.org[/url]- Ok, I [i]know[/i] I used something from here, but for the life of me, I can't remember what. Besides, it's a badass site. [Edited on 06.24.2011 9:20 AM PDT]
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[quote]Cortana-Curtana (Short One)[/quote] [u]Sword Info[/u]: According to legend, it bore the inscription "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper of Joyeuse and Durendal" and belonged to Ogier the Dane. The parallels with the sword and the AI are a little bit easier to spot out. Seeing that Curtana roughly means "shortened," (Latinized form of the Anglo-French curtein, from Latin curtus, 'shortened') then perhaps this definition represents the alleged shortened lifespan of the AI Cortana, due to her time on Halo. One parallel I wanted to make, but just didn't have the evidence to do so was the inscription on the sword and the symbols on Cortana's holographic body. I'm mainly viewing this possible parallel as the mere fact that both Cortanas are marked. [u]Holder[/u]: Ogier the Dane [b]Note:[/b] [i]For the sake of making sure I don't go insane with too many details, we're going with a number system here.[/i] Ogier makes his first appearance in [i]Chanson de Roland[/i] from the 11th century, and later in a number of rhyme chronicles from the 12th to 14th centuries, where his life is elaborated on considerably with several adventures. 1. {According to legend, he is the son of Geoffrey, king of Denmark. In [i]La Chevalerie Ogier de Danemarche[/i], he had a son who was slain by Charlot, son of Charlemagne. Seeking revenge,} 2. {Ogier sought out and slew Charlot, and was only barely prevented from killing Charlemagne.} 3. {He resisted Charlemagne for seven years but made peace with him to fight at Charlemagne's side against the Saracens, in which battle he slew the giant Brehus.} Like Frederick Barbarossa, Saint Wenceslas and King Arthur, in Danish legend Ogier becomes a 4. {king in the mountain}; he is said to dwell in the castle of Kronborg, his beard grown down to the floor, 5. {to sleep there until some date when Denmark is in mortal danger, at which time he will rise up and deliver the nation.} The largest WWII Danish resistance group, Holger Danske, was named after the legend. In some versions, Morgue le Faye (commonly known today as Morgan le Fay) takes him to 5a. {Avalon, from where he returns after two hundred years to save France.} According to the tour guides of Kronborg Castle, legend has it that Holger 6. {sat down in his present location after walking all the way from his complete battles in France} [u]Master Chief Parallels:[/u] 1. Many of his teammates/fellow Spartans/ect. were slain by the covenant (they were family, like Ogier's son was). 2. The Chief sought to defeat those who attacked his people and kin. Although he had destroyed much of those who had attacked humanity, but didn't get the leaders like the prophets and arbiter (until later, at least). 3. MC ended up siding with the elites and Arbiter (Charlemagne's parallel) to take out the rest of the covenant (Saracens) and stop the Halos from activating and killing the Prophet of Truth (the giant Brehus). 4. "King in the mountain," may refer to the [i]Fall of Reach[/i] passage showing how John was "king of the hill" in his childhood. The computer KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/KING_UNDER_THE_MOUNTAIN]is the nomenclature used to refer to any files pertaining to the planet Onyx.[/url] The KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN file included a debriefing of Spartan-117 after the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV. The Halopedia page refers to this possible connection. (King in the mountain connection made by SonicJohn) 5. Possible reference to cryo sleep right as Halo: CE begins. MC is "awakened" to intervene in a time or mortal danger. 5a. Another possible reference to either cryo sleep or MC's continuation of service in Halo 2. It may just simply be another way to explain no. 5. 6. A reference to MC going back into cryo sleep at the end of Halo 3. These parallels have been [url=http://forums.bungie.org/story/?noframes;read=54586]discussed before[/url]. Again, with confidence I will say that the connection between the Master Chief and Ogier the Dane is intentional, along with Curtana and Cortana's parallels. A quote from the linked posted above brings me to this next point. [quote] Who else worked for Charlemagne? Roland, wielder of Durandal. And Charlemagne wielded Joyeuse, and Durandal, Joyeuse, and Cortana were all forged of the same steel.[/quote] The text engraved onto Curtana's blade is what ties this all together. ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** [quote]Joyeuse (Joyful)[/quote] Joyeuse is the variable in this whole thing. I don't have a game AI or a player to compare Joyeuse and its holder to. [u]Sword Info:[/u] It is alleged to have been interred (placed in a grave) with Charlemagne's body, or contrarily to be held by the Saint Denis Basilica, where it was later retired into the Louvre after being carried at the front of Coronation processionals for French kings. Another supposed Joyeuse is held at the Imperial Treasury in Vienna. The town of Joyeuse in Ardèche, is supposedly named after the sword: Joyeuse was allegedly lost in a battle, and retrieved by one of the knights of Charlemagne; to thank him, Charlemagne would have granted him an appanage named Joyeuse. -Bore the inscription Decem oræceptorum custos Carolus; the sword of Guillaume au Court-Nez; anyone's sword. -Used to behead the Saracen commander Corsuble, as well as knighting Charlemagne's comrade Ogier the Dane. [u]Charlemagne[/u] Charlemagne was King of the Franks from 768 to his death. He expanded the Frankish kingdom into a Frankish Empire that incorporated much of Western and Central Europe. During his reign, he conquered Italy and was crowned Imperator Augustus by Pope Leo III on 25 December 800 which temporarily made him a rival of the Byzantine Emperor in Constantinople. If you want to, skip what's quoted here: [quote]His rule is also associated with the Carolingian Renaissance, a revival of art, religion, and culture through the medium of the Catholic Church. Through his foreign conquests and internal reforms, Charlemagne helped define both Western Europe and the Middle Ages. He is numbered as Charles I in the regal lists of France, Germany and the Holy Roman Empire. The son of King Pepin the Short and Bertrada of Laon, he succeeded his father and co-ruled with his brother Carloman I. The latter got on badly with Charlemagne, but war was prevented by the sudden death of Carloman in 771. Charlemagne continued the policy of his father towards the papacy and became its protector, removing the Lombards from power in Italy, and waging war on the Saracens, who menaced his realm from Spain. It was during one of these campaigns that Charlemagne experienced the worst defeat of his life, at the Battle of Roncesvalles (778) memorialised in the Song of Roland. He also campaigned against the peoples to his east, especially the Saxons, and after a protracted war subjected them to his rule. By forcibly converting them to Christianity, he integrated them into his realm and thus paved the way for the later Ottonian dynasty.[/quote] Today he is regarded not only as the founding father of both French and German monarchies, but also as the father of Europe: his empire united most of Western Europe for the first time since the Romans, and the Carolingian renaissance encouraged the formation of a common European identity. In short, he was a European badass. Curtana's holder, Ogier the Dane had teamed up with Charlemagne; "[i]In La Chevalerie Ogier de Danemarche, he had a son who was slain by Charlot, son of Charlemagne. Seeking revenge, Ogier sought out and slew Charlot, and was only barely prevented from killing Charlemagne. He resisted Charlemagne for seven years but made peace with him to fight at Charlemagne's side against the Saracens, in which battle he slew the giant Brehus.[/i]" [u]Roland was already an ally[/u]. On top of that he was Charlemagne's nephew and Ogier's best friend. [Edited on 03.20.2010 8:14 PM PDT]
