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Edited by BigEvilSpider: 10/4/2015 11:24:01 PM
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Has anyone noticed in Old Russia...

That it's a mish-mash of old and new tech? We're so far into the future, now, but we can see from the grimoire cards that the golden age gave us an instantaneous jump in tech, courtesy of the traveller. So it is possible that the golden age occurred right about now in real world timeline. You can see in Old Russia that the planes are just like we have now. You can see cellphone towers. Street lights and building lighting is identical to today's. Even some computer terminals are pretty dated. There are even husks of cars that we have now. BUT, these are also on venus...as are regular office blocks. So here's where I'll posit another theory. We are all in a Vex simulated environment. Yes, many grimoire cards already hint at an artificial simulation. But I think a more physically crafted environment is closer to the truth. The reason we can see this mash up of dated through to advanced tech is because the Vex don't know what is dated or advanced to us. They span millenia, possibly to the beginning of time. You could forgive them for not discerning the difference between the mere hundred years that separated us from horses and swords, to computers and guns. They want to simulate that 'humans' were on the moon, venus and earth, and so have generated what they perceive to be typical 'human stuff'. To us though it should be jarring. Why are 90s cars on venus? Why was our mass exodus from earth done in 50s military transport aircraft? Furthermore, grimoire cards tell us that golden age humans were on venus until the vex came along and kicked us out. But that's impossible. Not even considering the atmosphere for a second; the pressure on venus is enough to make it all but impossible to even move. We can also see that there is vegetation on venus now, and we can move there now. So it's clear that the vex have physically altered the planet's orbit. And grimoire cards tell us they have exactly this sort of power anyway. And we know they have moved mars too, as you can see it clearly from the moon as a red sphere. This is not currently possible. So the vex have moved things to their preference, but this must also mean that humans couldn't have ever existed on venus until after the vex intervening. Given we know that we haven't been there, historically, post vex, then all the evidence of us there is faked. Which also accounts for the 90s office blocks, roads and cars. So what's up? There are more unanswered questions. Like the 'human' skeleton with the huge elongated jaw sat at the array terminal on earth. Also the fact that we have failed to make ships that would get to jupiter, and likewise that xur has to be constructed of millions of dead cells to even exist in the tower. The 'are we dead' theory is a whole other story though. Wherever we are though, we know it takes immense and special effort to even reach us. Refere Xur (read the grimoire), and reference the Stranger. ******UPDATE FOR OCTOBER 2015, SINCE THIS THREAD REMAINS POPULAR****** And then take note: - we have a grimoire card specifically covering guardians witnessing a vex simulation where the vex are running hundreds of copies of those guardians through the same situation to see what variants occur. - the opening trailer shows the guys coming to mars, but then the scenery background changes a little, and it then does this multiple times in quick succession, as if this moment had happened a hundred different ways, sightly different each time. - the stranger appears out of nowhere to assist us, and disappears just as easily, most likely back to the real world outside of our simulation. - the stranger makes numerous references to things repeating, and also knows details of our missions before we've even done them ourselves. - what is the in game reason for why we can go back doing the same content over and over, or why thousands of guardians can kill crota etc? - the traveller's "light". Really just space magic? Or does the traveller act as rogue malware through the vex simulations, hacking the programme to generate weapons, ammo, resurrect us when we should be deleted. Growing itself an army of sentient consciousnesses to overrun the simulation? - ever wondered why you haven't seen a single human being, ever, who is just a regular citizen and not part of this whole combat scenario?
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  • Holy crap. My mind is B-L-O-W-N. GG

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  • There's actually a grimoire card that makes mention of the reasons the cars look the way they do; its because the traveller gave us such amazing new technology that a lot of our older tech was overlooked and got stuck in this weird time lock and never really developed further, because our engineers and scientists were more focused on newer and more lucrative technology.

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    • While I don't believe the planets being uninhabitable a reason to back this I do like this theory. I know we already have multiple different theories on how to terraform mars and I believe a few theoretical scientist have speculated on how we could change Venus. Also just because things seem impossible in our lifetime and with our current technology doesn't mean it won't be impossible in the future. Overall though I do like this theory.

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    • Destiny=matrix confirmed

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    • Interesting theory to describe a shortcut taken by the programmers (regarding the cars). Still interesting though. [spoiler]As for humans on Venus the traveler terraformed the planet to make it habitable for humans. This is just one of the gifts given by the traveler.[/spoiler]

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    • I feel like I'm Han Solo, you're Chewie, she's Ben Kenobi, and we're in that -blam!-ed up bar!

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      • [quote] - ever wondered why you haven't seen a single human being, ever, who is just a regular citizen and not part of this whole combat scenario?[/quote] No. There are civilians all over the tower. The people who hang out with the factions, the people who walk around in tower north, etc.

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        • [quote]- ever wondered why you haven't seen a single human being, ever, who is just a regular citizen and not part of this whole combat scenario?[/quote] In the tower. #Mythbusted

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          • But, if we are basing this off of truth to our real life and the possibilities. No one could even be on the moon or other planets without oxygen. The fallen are on most of the planets without any helmets even. So for you to think the Vex or even Rasputin are simulating it, could be a very good possibility. It makes a lot of sense.

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            • In the Grimoire it says that during the Golden Age technology was advancing so quickly that they had to use older tech and modify/mish-mash it together instead of making new things because they would quickly become obsolete, and would waste too many resources, just look at the massive ships in the cosmodrome, they're using old shuttles as rocket boosters. Examples are everywhere.

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            • Post too long lost interest.

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            • Oh my god bungie has confirmed its not a simulation. Moron.

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              • I remember reading in the grimoire something about old russia(cosmodrom specifically) to be somekind of contaminated area because of an accident. Maybe it was left as it was for all that time? [spoiler]i may have just read the wrong thing[/spoiler]

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              • So, TL;DR, Bungie = Vex?

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              • You just blew some stoned out -blam!-ers mind he'll be sitting there trying to figure it out

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              • it is russia...

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              • Acutally no, humans survived the fall, some tranformed to become awoken. Anway guardians started showing up as basically a last defense and they made the city. Vex were always on Venus, they were there long before and have been in venus the entire time, humans just woke them up thru excavation. Probably open up one of the doors there which we see. Vex wreaked the planet from underneath and thats why we see all this earthquake destruction. They moved to mars and again try to take over the planet from within the planet outward. We stared to lose from multiple fronts from multiple enemies. We went back to earth in a last ditch effort but s oil something was waiting there. There was no safe place, so Rasputin hid himself, sacrficed the colonies, to preserve himself, the traveler ended the fighting, then released the ghosts. We came a short time after around a hundred or so years. Afterward.

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                • The grimoire mentions that we had amazing tech on other planets that we colonized. It mentions that, strangely, those planets were leagues ahead of what he had on earth. In other words words, as humans expanded to other planets on the solar system, then created bett r stuff over there instead on of earth.

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                • I've seen citizens and Luke smith confirmed we aren't in a vex simulation

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                • I believe the opening cinematic represents different realities. Alternate universes. Yes the situation has happened many times Varying slightly in each. The Awoken can move through the realities, Which is why they speak of things being different. The Queen of the awoken references calling Harbingers, but what are they? The fleet that helped storm the Dreadnaught? Nah. I believe they're Awoken in the other realities, She calls them over. But WE only exist in this reality. So for once, the Light can fight the powers of the Darkness, perhaps even overcome it.

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                • If we're all in a simulation and the traveler is malware then that means us humans put him in there to save our simulated selves but why is it important to save a simulation.

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                • Soooo we are in the Matrix, and the traveler is the oracle while the vex are the architects. Mind...fcken...blowned. Seems legit though as we revive and use light, space magic and all that BS. So when is the one or chosen one coming to save us then...

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                • Bump

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                • What if tomorrow, scientists discover something that allows us to go to mars, venus, and we usher in a golden age of humanity. You never know when shit like that could happen

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                  • Your overall theory is pretty interesting, my only thought is the traveler teraformed Venues and Mars and made it a place we could live, (or so its said) so that doesn't match up, the old cars etc stuff does, although it could be just we happen to be running around the old ruins of places we no longer lived once the golden age started and we left old dead tech in those locations.

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                  • Venus was also once depicted with a jungle like Eco-system. This is probably where the idea came from. Not trying to ruin the fun in lore. Just putting my opinion in. :p

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