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7/4/2008 1:17:58 AM
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So Bungies going to ban alot of innocent people? (3 bungie comments)
The new update had some nice things to say: free map, free stuff on 7/7, and cheaper maps....
But then there was a section of bad news that some of you might have noticed: and it struck more than a few questions across my mind.
-how does bungie plan on banning all the people with modded maps, and modded pictures on their fileshares?
-how will they implement this new update so every last person with a modded item knows of this update?
-and does this update count towards the 100 downloadable files on your harddrive you are allowed?
I believe that this update is unreasonable, and heres why it would be illogical:
most people who have modded maps on their fileshares are not going to read the front page update. honestly, its a strange thing to ban people who have downloaded these maps. Its more sensible to ban the creators.
second, this seems like a very extreme action to take, because modding has yet to hit halo 3's matchmaking. I know its all cautionary, but the thought of being banned from playing halo online over the fact your friend gave you a modded map with extra elephants seems excessive.
What is everyones thoughts?
[Edited on 07.04.2008 2:58 PM PDT]
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*Deletes dowloaded modded maps* (,=|)
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They should ban people who are modding the game. It makes the game really useless when you have someone who's made a gun that can shoot rockets instead of bullets and can spawns things in maps your not meant to.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] noob2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SP4RT4N O43 Yeah he did call shishka a prick. And honestly it was deserved. Shishkas usually insulting to most people. I mean he probably needs to be in this case but he doesnt really have to be so rude about it. That was all that one guy was saying i think[/quote] Yea I know and he must feel like hes famous when he gets all these people kissin his arse and congratulating him on insulting some kid and pretty much kissing the ground he walks on. I TELL YOU ALL NOW SHISKA HAS NO POWER OVER YOU IN REAL LIFE AND OFF THESE FORUMS....... now every one take a deep breath I know this must come as a shock to you all.[/quote] Oh, come on. The kid got owned. Maybe it wasn't necessary to insult him like that, but that isn't the question. He got owned. Only idiots think he has power over you in reality. Though, that slingshot IS getting close to finished...
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That is pretty lame, I love my seal in my fileshare and his bucket. :( Now I can't look at him and laugh histarically while I'm waiting for a match. (Even though I haven't played Halo in a month now.) Still Bungie, you guys are pretty stupid, Legendx brought a good point up way back on the first page, ban me for a seal, while kids are going to ruin internet connections, that actually cause dollar ammounts of damage. PLEASE, EXPLAIN HOW MY SEAL IS HARMING YOU BUNGIE? PLEASE! I'D HONESTLY LIKE TO KNOW. OH, AND WOW!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos In short, nobody "innocent" is getting caught here.[/quote] i believe it was Kurt Vonnegut Jr. who said: "No names have been changed in order to protect the innocent. Angels protect the innocent as a matter of Heavenly Routine." i think the Chief is the only "demon" in Halo 3, so we can calm down. [Edited on 07.06.2008 9:46 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos In short, nobody "innocent" is getting caught here.[/quote] i believe that it was Kurt Vonnegut Jr. who said something like this: "No names have been changed to protect the innocent. Angels protect the innocent as a matter of Heavenly Routine."
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I reckon you can play modded maps as long as its on local.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sk8r Ralph A while ago, I joined a friends game and a modded map was being used, i didnt download the map off their fileshare or save it from recent maps...but is there a chance i could be banned just for playing on one?[/quote] If you don't actually physically have the content anywhere, then no. Alot f us have been tricked into playing on modded maps, but I'd hope most of us were smart enough not to download them or save them.
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A while ago, I joined a friends game and a modded map was being used, i didnt download the map off their fileshare or save it from recent maps...but is there a chance i could be banned just for playing on one?
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Ok so if we have mods on our file-share you should delete them right? I mean I don't have any on mine but thats not the point. If we have them in our Hard Drive do we also get banned?
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yeh Bungie I though its fine to use MODS but not on machmaking + my friend has got a MOD picture on his file share but he didn't do it
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again...ban people who do ip flooding and stuff like that not those who have some silly pictures on their fileshare. i think bungie is just searching for some excuses that they cant handle the ip flooding the banhammer does not work.
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lol, Shiska, you have overtaken The Webmaster as my Bnet hero. there is one thing im curious about though. when the update said modified content, does that just mean the illeagal stuff? eg. ive got some stuff on my file share that i changed the titles of and was thinking of making a custom gametype/map or two (all within the realms of what were allowed to do) basically im asking by modiefied, do you mean changed or altered in any way, or Modded (using illeagal hacking technology or however they do it, to create something that should not be able to be)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] viper1989 I guess it's his job to say things like that...but still, why does he have to be so snooty about it? People need to get off their high horses and learn to stop taking things so seriously. IT'S A GAME[/quote]\ It's not, actually, just a game, it's one of the biggest companies to ever exist (Microsoft.), creating rules for their services. I know what you're trying to say, that they need to lighten up a little bit, but they can do what they want to do, and if they want to ban poeple for having modded content, then they will do just that. And I really don't see how he was being snooty.. he was just kinda proving his point.
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I guess it's his job to say things like that...but still, why does he have to be so snooty about it? People need to get off their high horses and learn to stop taking things so seriously. IT'S A GAME
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] viper1989 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos Ignorance of the terms of use (which already say no modded content) is not an excuse. The update just says we're going to be more aggressive about enforcing that particular clause of the terms of use. In short, nobody "innocent" is getting caught here.[/quote] Aren't we being a little heavy handed here? Since when does anybody ever read the complete terms of use before signing or agreeing to something (as trivial as xbox live at least)? Don't tell me you did before signing up for XBL because that's a load of bs. What the harm in having modded maps for customs? They're fun to play on and goof around in customs. It's not harming anyone and if Bungie is so confident that mods cannot be used in halo matchmaking, then whats the problem? As for having non halo related things in file share: I think it's hilarious. One of my buddies sent me a message asking me to check out this screenshot. I thought it was going to be another stupid "recommend to 1,000 friends and get recon", but instead turned out to be a funny horny manatee (from Late Night with Conan O Brien) joke. Anyway, modding was overblown in halo 2 anyway. Modders were immediately identified and their accounts banned within several hours, so they hardly had much opportunity to cause havoc for too many people. Standbying was the real problem and that's pretty much cured, so where's the fire?[/quote] Weather you read the Terms of Use or not, having modded content is still against the rules. Just because you didn't read something doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I know it's cool to have, but you're just not allowed, plain as that. And there are always consequenses when you don't follow the rules. You don't necesarilly have to delete your modded content. you can, ( I think), stick it in a Memory Card or something and then look at all your mods when you're not connected. It's safer to just delete it all, but if you really want to keep it, you could just do that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos Ignorance of the terms of use (which already say no modded content) is not an excuse. The update just says we're going to be more aggressive about enforcing that particular clause of the terms of use. In short, nobody "innocent" is getting caught here.[/quote] Aren't we being a little heavy handed here? Since when does anybody ever read the complete terms of use before signing or agreeing to something (as trivial as xbox live at least)? Don't tell me you did before signing up for XBL because that's a load of bs. What the harm in having modded maps for customs? They're fun to play on and goof around in. It's not harming anyone and if Bungie is so confident that mods cannot be used in halo matchmaking, then whats the problem? As for having non halo related things in file share: I think it's hilarious. One of my buddies sent me a message asking me to check out this screenshot. I thought it was going to be another stupid "recommend to 1,000 friends and get recon", but instead turned out to be a funny horny manatee (from Late Night with Conan O Brien) joke. Anyway, modding was overblown in halo 2. Modders were immediately identified and their accounts banned within several hours, so they hardly had much opportunity to cause havoc for too many people. Standbying was the real problem and that's pretty much cured, so where's the fire? [Edited on 07.05.2008 11:58 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] snoozy9420 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] snoozy9420 Will they ban those with modded content on their harddrive as well? Does anyone know this?[/quote] it was done in Halo 2. People with the content on their console were then banned and only able to play customs. Never in MM again. So me? I sure wouldn't risk it. No matter how "cool" or "just for fun" something is. But I like MM, and my ability to use it is something that I value. Everyone has to decide for themselves what content is worth what risk.[/quote] Yea.. it was somewhat different with Halo 2 though, because there were risks of the modded maps being played in matchmaking. For Halo 3, Bungie clearly and confindentally stated that it is impossible for modded maps to leak into the matchmaking system. So I don't think Bungie cares about the maps so much, because they can't interfere with the game. But I don't know for sure. Either way, I'll delete them. I love matchmaking, and I really would rather not lose it. [/quote] They also claimed the 360 to be nigh-unhackable when it first launched. That lasted for all of a year....(or less). The greatest safety precautions in the world can't stop the determined. Something I was told awhile ago comes to mind here: "Security only keeps honest people honest and the idiots out. The truely determined will find a way. It is only a matter of time."[/quote] True, but as of now, they still think that they've found a perfect way to keep modders out, and until they find a way, if they find a way, they aren't going to worry about it. Either way, tomarrow morning I'm deleting all my modded maps, just to be safe.
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I honestly can not believe everyone here is bickering about this. How freaking hard is it to understand that YOU AGREED TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS By signing up for xbox live you agree to follow the code of conduct. It says right [url=http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/codeofconduct.htm]HERE[/url] "If you violate the Code of Conduct or the Terms of Use that you agreed to, action may be taken against your account. Some offenses warrant an immediate account cancellation, including but not limited to hacking, modding, severe racial remarks, continued creation of profane gamertags, and posting viruses or URLs to viruses." --------------------------------------------------- I mean seriously. If you need that much attention that you post pictures of naked people in your file share you shouldn't be allowed to have a file share. [u]The file share is a privilege, not a right. You're not guarenteed it just by buying the game, or XBL.[/u] --------------------------------------------------- As for you people bashing Bungie employees. Where the heck do you get the nerve to do such a thing? If you don't like the way they handle a situation, go somewhere else. It won't kill you to even start up a free forum on another site and handle things the way you want. You immature little spoiled brats need to grow up. The only reason they are alittle more aggressive is because they have to put up with you! Yea I said it, all the complaining about the stupidest stuff and the constant arguments that makes the entire community seem like it has the collective IQ of 3. The only way to get through the thick skulls I see on this community is to be alittle more aggressive, then you all go complaining about how they were mean. Grow up. Heck, the kid came out in a thread discussing how you could get banned for having modded content, and [b]SAID FLAT OUT HE HAD MODDED CONTENT.[/b] If you drove up to a cop and said, so what's the legal intoxication limit because you've been drinking, the cop would pull you over, and will give you a hard time about it. -------------------- Finally I don't care if you agree with me or not, and this does not pertain to all of you. So don't get all agitated over it, because honestly I don't care about your opinions on this topic. I already think you are acting ridiculous. I don't need more proof. [Edited on 07.05.2008 11:54 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] snoozy9420 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] snoozy9420 Will they ban those with modded content on their harddrive as well? Does anyone know this?[/quote] it was done in Halo 2. People with the content on their console were then banned and only able to play customs. Never in MM again. So me? I sure wouldn't risk it. No matter how "cool" or "just for fun" something is. But I like MM, and my ability to use it is something that I value. Everyone has to decide for themselves what content is worth what risk.[/quote] Yea.. it was somewhat different with Halo 2 though, because there were risks of the modded maps being played in matchmaking. For Halo 3, Bungie clearly and confindentally stated that it is impossible for modded maps to leak into the matchmaking system. So I don't think Bungie cares about the maps so much, because they can't interfere with the game. But I don't know for sure. Either way, I'll delete them. I love matchmaking, and I really would rather not lose it. [/quote] They also claimed the 360 to be nigh-unhackable when it first launched. That lasted for all of a year....(or less). The greatest safety precautions in the world can't stop the determined. Something I was told awhile ago comes to mind here: "Security only keeps honest people honest and the idiots out. The truely determined will find a way. It is only a matter of time."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] snoozy9420 Will they ban those with modded content on their harddrive as well? Does anyone know this?[/quote] it was done in Halo 2. People with the content on their console were then banned and only able to play customs. Never in MM again. So me? I sure wouldn't risk it. No matter how "cool" or "just for fun" something is. But I like MM, and my ability to use it is something that I value. Everyone has to decide for themselves what content is worth what risk.[/quote] Yea.. it was somewhat different with Halo 2 though, because there were risks of the modded maps being played in matchmaking. For Halo 3, Bungie clearly and confindentally stated that it is impossible for modded maps to leak into the matchmaking system. So I don't think Bungie cares about the maps so much, because they can't interfere with the game. But I don't know for sure. Either way, I'll delete them. I love matchmaking, and I really would rather not lose it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Master Megatron Why is Bungie banning people with mods? Think of these screenshots and maps in question as gateways. people have figured out how to upload non-Halo 3 screenshots to their Bungie.net fileshare, so they can be spread. Same with the maps: they've figured out how to add models to maps without any AI or player behind them. In fact, I recall seeing a YouTube video of Halo 3, where a Warthog had a Banshee as the turret. I bet if I looked now, I could find a video where there's a Sniper Rifle that shoots Splaser beams or something (I recall seeing a Shotgun that shot clusters of Rockets in Halo 2). If they can do this offline, it's only a matter of time before they figure out how to do it online. Bungie's trying to nip it in the bud now, before it becomes a big issue. And personally, I don't want to face down a Banshee that shoots Fuel Rod Shots like a chaingun again*. *happened to me in Halo 2. Ran across a team of modders that used a Banshee that shot Fuel Rod rounds like a chaingun, among other things.[/quote] Wowee, I dunno, I think I'd rather love to see that. That sort of thing is seatwetting funny, I envy you. heheh.[/quote] But incredibly unfair to the people on the recieving end, and ruins the game for anyone NOT modding.[/quote] dreadfully true but somewhat of a gem to look back on had we had the theater system back then that we do now. That sounds like loads of hilarity to watch again and again until your sick of it. but I guess I'm just sick like that :)[/quote] You wouldn't think iso funny being on the recieving end during a Ranked Match vital to your next rank up, or during an important Clan/GB/MLG match now, would you?[/quote] perhapse not. I mean, I, personally don't care much for those sort of things but all that aside, it would be pretty annoying. No need to get defensive, I'm just having some fun here.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SS_Zag1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nox Vulpes Recon 54, Check your private messages please.[/quote] Have you seen that man's PM count? You're asking a lot... Though I have little to say; I can only stand behind Recon's posts 100%. He speaks truth. Use your heads.[/quote] We're cool. and yes, I am backed up there. Over 230 messages waiting. I'll admit, I am more inclined to work in the live and moving forums than in my inbox (which reminds me too much of work). Just for the record, I am not discounting nor saying that other issues aren't important. I am simply making a point that this one (if considered carefully) can have HUGE potential repercussions that would extend beyond a simple matter of lolcats having a new distribution channel. I would hate for a worst case scenario to happen, and I support Bungie and XBL in their efforts to contain it. While they may (or may not) be doing it out of self interest, IMO their interests and mine are the same. The same because they result in Halo 3 and the XBL service continuing to be available for the enjoyment of my friends, my family and myself. [Edited on 07.05.2008 11:40 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Master Megatron Why is Bungie banning people with mods? Think of these screenshots and maps in question as gateways. people have figured out how to upload non-Halo 3 screenshots to their Bungie.net fileshare, so they can be spread. Same with the maps: they've figured out how to add models to maps without any AI or player behind them. In fact, I recall seeing a YouTube video of Halo 3, where a Warthog had a Banshee as the turret. I bet if I looked now, I could find a video where there's a Sniper Rifle that shoots Splaser beams or something (I recall seeing a Shotgun that shot clusters of Rockets in Halo 2). If they can do this offline, it's only a matter of time before they figure out how to do it online. Bungie's trying to nip it in the bud now, before it becomes a big issue. And personally, I don't want to face down a Banshee that shoots Fuel Rod Shots like a chaingun again*. *happened to me in Halo 2. Ran across a team of modders that used a Banshee that shot Fuel Rod rounds like a chaingun, among other things.[/quote] Wowee, I dunno, I think I'd rather love to see that. That sort of thing is seatwetting funny, I envy you. heheh.[/quote] But incredibly unfair to the people on the recieving end, and ruins the game for anyone NOT modding.[/quote] dreadfully true but somewhat of a gem to look back on had we had the theater system back then that we do now. That sounds like loads of hilarity to watch again and again until your sick of it. but I guess I'm just sick like that :)[/quote] You wouldn't think iso funny being on the recieving end during a Ranked Match vital to your next rank up, or during an important Clan/GB/MLG match now, would you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Master Megatron Why is Bungie banning people with mods? Think of these screenshots and maps in question as gateways. people have figured out how to upload non-Halo 3 screenshots to their Bungie.net fileshare, so they can be spread. Same with the maps: they've figured out how to add models to maps without any AI or player behind them. In fact, I recall seeing a YouTube video of Halo 3, where a Warthog had a Banshee as the turret. I bet if I looked now, I could find a video where there's a Sniper Rifle that shoots Splaser beams or something (I recall seeing a Shotgun that shot clusters of Rockets in Halo 2). If they can do this offline, it's only a matter of time before they figure out how to do it online. Bungie's trying to nip it in the bud now, before it becomes a big issue. And personally, I don't want to face down a Banshee that shoots Fuel Rod Shots like a chaingun again*. *happened to me in Halo 2. Ran across a team of modders that used a Banshee that shot Fuel Rod rounds like a chaingun, among other things.[/quote] Wowee, I dunno, I think I'd rather love to see that. That sort of thing is seatwetting funny, I envy you. heheh.[/quote] But incredibly unfair to the people on the recieving end, and ruins the game for anyone NOT modding.[/quote] dreadfully true but somewhat of a gem to look back on had we had the theater system back then that we do now. That sounds like loads of hilarity to watch again and again until your sick of it. but I guess I'm just sick like that :)[/quote] Maybe, but I'd rather not be on the business end of something like that (or worse) again in Halo 3.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yugor1000 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rudeboysaint [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Master Megatron Why is Bungie banning people with mods? Think of these screenshots and maps in question as gateways. people have figured out how to upload non-Halo 3 screenshots to their Bungie.net fileshare, so they can be spread. Same with the maps: they've figured out how to add models to maps without any AI or player behind them. In fact, I recall seeing a YouTube video of Halo 3, where a Warthog had a Banshee as the turret. I bet if I looked now, I could find a video where there's a Sniper Rifle that shoots Splaser beams or something (I recall seeing a Shotgun that shot clusters of Rockets in Halo 2). If they can do this offline, it's only a matter of time before they figure out how to do it online. Bungie's trying to nip it in the bud now, before it becomes a big issue. And personally, I don't want to face down a Banshee that shoots Fuel Rod Shots like a chaingun again*. *happened to me in Halo 2. Ran across a team of modders that used a Banshee that shot Fuel Rod rounds like a chaingun, among other things.[/quote] Wowee, I dunno, I think I'd rather love to see that. That sort of thing is seatwetting funny, I envy you. heheh.[/quote] But incredibly unfair to the people on the recieving end, and ruins the game for anyone NOT modding.[/quote] dreadfully true but somewhat of a gem to look back on had we had the theater system back then that we do now. That sounds like loads of hilarity to watch again and again until your sick of it. but I guess I'm just sick like that :)
