Has bungie gone to far to make this hard mode "hard"? The no chalice, wizards, guardians under leveled, and auto enraged at 15% health. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying its impossible; people have already completed it. For me personally the VoG and CE normal was fun. It still had a bit of a challenge and good rewards. But crota hard seems to much for a kinda crap reward. Guardians no longer need to complete the hard mode to receive all the raid gear and the primary weapons are ok. I can already imagine they will be glitched in some way were perks do do what they should and bungie will never fix them. Personally i have completed tons of VoG runs and i still don't have all the weapons. My rng luck is horrible ( especially since i don't buy weapons from Xur and have yet to receive a ghorn when i have every other exotic in the game) and the tedious work to beat crota doesn't seem worth it. I have also noticed that most people can't handle being in a team or just don't work well in a team (at least everyone I've attempted it with). Edit 1:yeah yeah yeah i know its called hard mode for a reason, im mad not illiterate. And im not saying its impossible, It just isnt as fun anymore and more tedious than id like. And for people telling me im just complaining because i want it handed to me just no. Ive put close to a thousand hours into the game. I enjoy the game and have spent hundreds of hours grinding for things. Im just exhausted from having shitty rng luck. Edit : I just quote these two they say what i mean a lot better than i do "We have beaten it now too, but we feel they went overboard. They didn't add any more "challenging" or fun aspects. They just added all kinds of stupid hard shit. I don't find this fun, it's just frustrating. Once I have the guns I want, I never want to do this again. - OokamiLilitu This is a great point. We go back now and play VOG for fun, because it's a well put together mission, which if the stars aligned and Bungies P2 MX servers and 52k dial up connection are up to it is a whole lot of fun. Nothing about the CE is fun it's just there. -SirTeaRex