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8/11/2014 4:37:13 PM
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Im a hard core gamer. But I realize that others dont play 4- 10 hr at a time like I can..I do most of my fighting with 3 different players but not normally at same times....am I raid ready but dont have 5 hard core gamers to plsy with...the option to go into a raid with less then 6 should be an option. And matchmaking also..... maybe I can't beat it but ill try like hell and have a lot of fun doing it. Match making could help to find that perfect 6 player team to actually complete it.
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Ppl will enter MM sure to win. You place MM in a content ppl have no hope to beat with it and it's like trow a rock to a wasp's nest. Bungie don't want that and it's right in that
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The solution to your issue is simple, and what most people who want Matchmaking are refusing to accept...there is a whole forum topic (look to the top of this thread) named "Clans". In there, you can find hundreds of people who are willing to schedule Raids at whatever time is good for you. All you have to do is look through it and find the right fit. The "I don't have the time" or "I'm too busy" is a lousy argument because if people don't have a little bit of time to invest in finding a Clan, how are they going to have the time to complete 3+ hour Raids? You have less chance of finishing with people who don't want to invest any more time than the minimum than with people who take the time to plan it all out. If more people would become involved in the Community that Bungie is trying to establish, then there would be no issue at all, but "traditional console" gamers do not seem to grasp this. You being a hard-core gamer should have no problem finding a Clan that will suit your playstyle and timeline. :-) You'll be fine without MM if you do some of the legwork required.
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The flaw to your argument is that you have to use the forums. If it's that important to what is described as a major component of the game (and from what Bungie themselves are saying is the whole thing the rest of the game is building up to) is that access to it is the forums. It should be included in the game. Why have they excluded basic functions from the game in favor of the forums?
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Edited by xlostpunkfoundx: 8/12/2014 1:55:23 PMWhat game have you ever played with an in-game forum? What game have you played that didn't have a related website? They could have added some sort of in-game browser (ala, The Hidden World), but that would have been kinda' overkill with forum access available through console browsers, mobile device browsers, mobile applications (which I'm on now), and the traditional computer. I do hope that they implement clan control into the game for future releases, but people being to lazy to use forums is a poor defense.
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No the point is that if it is a necessary part of the game experience it should be included in the game. Giving me a list of other ways to access in game features doesn't solve the problem that it should have been included in the game itself. I should not have to turn on my laptop to mess with my console game.
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The point is that if you want the best of the best, you won't be spoon-fed, you'll have to do a little legwork for it. If you don't want to do anything above and beyond the minimum, why should you get the best?
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Because its a bloody game and your best is about as meaningful as a fart in the wind. Also it's still poor game design to exclude necessary function from the game itself in favor of forums. You can justify it as them saying "well you must not want it" but it's just lazy on there part. Including gen chat or tower chat in the game would be an easy fix.
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Football is a game, too. Doesn't mean you're going to get the best benefits from it simply because you play pick up games in the park on the weekends...but, if you apply yourself, get on a good team, and so on, you could get all sorts of perks. While I agree that they could have done some things better, and I hope they implement things like in-game Clan management, proximity chat, etc. in future releases, the point is that there is nothing that cannot be accomplished in the game when you put forth the effort. More energy has been spent by a lot of people complaining that could have been used to have overcome their roadblocks already. If you are that disappointed in Bungie's game design, than they may have lost you as a customer, but if you are still going to play, than finding solutions to your problems that are already currently available would be a much better use of time than complaining about it.
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The point is the road blocks shouldn't exist in the first place and by expressing support for artificial road blocks caused by a bad design choice you aren't actually helping to improve anything. You should be saying it's silly not to include social aspects inside the social game. They have exclude standard features of pretty much every shared world game on the market. They aren't standard features for no reason. They are standard because they are necessary parts of creating a shared experience. This game won't last if people aren't invested in it, and one of the ways to do that is to encourage socialization in game. They have failed on that front by completely ignoring the social aspects in favor of pushing their forums.
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Again, not saying that it isn't a flawed system, but I somehow doubt the code is going to be re-written in the next 4 weeks. I'm sure future iterations will be updated, after all, they do have a 10 year plan. Also, Bungie does monitor forums, so they are tracking what the user base is saying, but I seriously doubt that any more major revamps will be happening prior to launch. So, the adult options for now are a) don't buy/play the game or b) suck it up, get involved, have fun and make suggestions for future releases. The game, as is, is 100% playable, flawed or not. I will be enjoying every aspect of the game with the 30+ member clan that I found and joined, Raids and all. I will continue to make suggestions for improvement (notice I said make suggestions, not complain about flaws) and hope that things get fixed/improved. So, now everyone else has to make their own decision.
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It's the feedback forum so I will ring the bell continuously till they fix it. If it's flawed you should do so as well. That's the point of feedback. I really liked the beta and hope the game is everything they promised, but hopefully this the one glaring deficiency. It won't take much (especially considering the investment) to sink Bungie into the dust bin of gaming history.
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There are lots of things that are flawed, but as long as they still function properly, don't require an overhaul, nor an obscene amount of attention. If I get a dent on my car, I may be upset about it at first, but it'll still get me to where I need to go. I move on. State your case, then move on. To continue to do so over and over again is no longer contributing... it's just whining.
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Your making justifications for a poor and purposeful design choice. That's why game companies keep charging us for incomplete products, because people justify the purchase. A better comparison would be if a company sold you a car sound system described as 5.1 for the road but when you got in it you only had stereo sound unless you walk to the end of the block to flip the on switch every time you wanted to use the other three channels. It doesn't make any sense not to include a main selling point of something (social interaction in this case) in the product itself.
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Not making justifications, just demonstrating that "flawed" does not mean "broken". The game is 100% playable as-is. Maybe not as conveniently as some would like, but %100 playable none the less. I, like anyone who can apply critical thinking skills, have been sharing a real world, real time solution, rather than just complain about an issue and "hope" for something to change. I feel like I'm repeating myself, but if you are really that upset about it, don't buy/play the game. As you have said before, it may "sink Bungie into the dust bin", then you can say "I told you so". The more likely scenario is that Bungie will do just fine, because I have a feeling that a lot of people will learn to make due, and Bungie will implement appropriate changes down the road. As a guy that has actually done the extra "work" to find a solid group to game with (work being used very loosely because it didn't require much effort at all), your comparison does not fit very well. There is a browser included with the game systems, not to mention mobile apps (as I have previously mentioned). It might be comparable to you have to flip a switch to activate it from within the vehicle, such as the design for turning traction control on and off since all you have to do is press the "PS" button or the "XBox Home" button to access a browser, not even leaving the comfort of your couch.
