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8/11/2014 8:06:14 AM
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I'm not in PvP, I just hope that this score will never come into play when seeking players for PvE content. That would be real elitism
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[quote]I'm not in PvP, I just hope that this score will never come into play when seeking players for PvE content. That would be real elitism[/quote] As in World of Warcraft there will probably be requirements for joining raid groups, but only raid groups. It's all down to trying to pull a successful group together.
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Successful raid group should require raid experience not K/D ratio. One with 0.1 K/D that already got exp in there is more useful then 1948394824826295027363910 K/D that never entered
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Raid (PvE content) group requirements based on PvP statistic is just utterly idiotic. All those whining of elitism of ppl that don't want MM and plan on using K/R to choose players are the real elitists. I want to do only PvE in destiny but I'll likely be left off PvE for that reason? Shitty community
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So what of people judge based on kdr? There is a huge carry over between skill in pve and pvp in this game. So people with high kdr's in pvp will likely have a lot of skill in pve. Anyone who says there is little carry over is really just lying to him/herself. It's still the same abilities available to you, the same guns, the same controls, the same interface, and the same game. The only difference is you will be up against computer ai, which his much easier than actual players.
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Edited by LetBloodline: 8/13/2014 6:50:50 AMPvP require different tactics you must know and require movements not needed in PvE. It's true that someone with good kdr will be good at shoot things but it's not true that ppl with low kdr will be a dead weight on PvE. Most of all in raid content where skill is far less important then exp in said raid
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Raids in mmo's require the players to have skill. This game will to. In regular mmo's, healers needed to heal well, dos need to put out a lot of damage, and the tanks need to hold Agro. And everyone needs to follow mechanics. If you have a bad player or two you can usually carry them if they are dps, if it is on easy. This raid will require everyone to be doing well. (I am really hoping for a part where the group has to split up and each person has to handle a section on their own. Keeps from a player getting carried). And yes, pvp tactics are a bit different than pve tactics, but that is more strategy than skill. Skill is how good you are at handling all of your weapons and abilities, not tactics. And skill is just as important as tactics are in pve. My first time doing df in SWTOR I had no idea what the bosses were like (no one will in this raid until a video is released), however, I was parsing really high for my class. So I joined the parsec group (what we use to compare dps) and I had the best dps even though I had never done any of the bosses. I just had people tell me what to do, and I was the most effective because I knew my class and had a lot of skill with it. Because of my skill, I was the most effective player on my team. Skill is a massive success factor no matter what game mode you are playing. Because no one knows anything about this raid except that it is supposed to be hard, everyone is on equal ground on the tactics part (minus the people who just shoot and don't listen, which from my experience is what a lot of bad players with very little skill do). Now, if I were to give you the option of being on one of two raid teams, one of which has an average kdr of 1.5, the other one .5. Both teams have played the exact same amount of games in pvp, and both are equally experienced on raids. Which would you choose?
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Edited by LetBloodline: 8/13/2014 7:12:52 AMYou need skills for raid but for PvP you need a set of skills unneeded for raid. If I play all my time only in PvE cuz I don't like PvP in any games it don't mean I have no skill. I can be better than someone that can defeat me hundred times in PvP Plus lag in PvE is not a real issue where in PvP it means double kill Weed out a player based on PvP alone is being elitist
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Edited by Veldoodle: 8/13/2014 7:24:04 AMWell the real problem with pve skill is that there is no real good way to test it. Kdr in pve can be faed by killing lower levels, so you can't really trust it. And yes there are some pvp players who are mediocre at pve but no good pvp player is really ever bad at pve, they are just not as good at it. Pve skill in mmo's is usually based on dps (only going with dps here as destiny has no tanks or healers) which is tracked using a parser and something you can parse on. Destiny doesn't really have a way to parse, so the only real effective way to measure skill would be to run a strike with a person. Of course this is time consuming and therefore people just use kdr as it is easy to access and see and very fast. Plus it really is all we have to work with at this point as we can't play destiny at all. Also lag can be an issue in pve. Play spartan ops In halo 4 with someone with a bad connection.
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The lvl of lag that make you killed in PvP won't hurt in PvE. You must have real bad connection to affect PvE. I see the benefit from check kdr but it's unfair for those that like only PvE. And they are called elitist. This make me laugh. Anyway for raid you make a static not oneshot party so you can and should at least play with someone before weeding him out
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Theoretically a person who can aim and use their weapons effectively in pve should be able to in pvp too, they just need to have fast reaction time and be paying attention. Reaction time is a very good thing to have in both pvp and pve, so good pvp'ers will definitely be able to play play pve well. It does not always work vice versa though. I play my pve quite similarly to the way I play pve: offensively. I go out for kills and get them because I react fast to threats and keep calm under pressure (most of the time). This allows me to get kills in both pvp and pve, mostly because I am experienced with playing and have a lot of skill with aiming a rifle. A lot of players who are good at pve are also good at pvp, but there are always a few who aren't. But those are far and in between. Heck, there are very few good players in pve from what I have seen. All I've been paired with in pve are scrubs. Only good player was my friend. I've seen more good players in pvp than in pve.
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That is bullshit and you know that too. You need to know how to move, which weapon are best in PvP, grenades are used differently too. Know PvP maps and good places to take cover, be able to deal with human intellect and not AI. You said a bullshit and if you are a decent PvP player you know it too and very well. In PvE you learn enemies pattern and you know where they dodge, if they dodge at all. Not comparable with humans players
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[quote]Successful raid group should require raid experience not K/D ratio. One with 0.1 K/D that already got exp in there is more useful then 1948394824826295027363910 K/D that never entered[/quote] Unfortunately that is incorrect....0.1 k/d in a raid or strike would mean that you're completely useless... while a (whatever number that is) k/d would mean you wreck face all day. I'm not saying that everyone will require a certain k/d, they can use any measurement they like, including raid experience, to determine if they want you to join them. It's all up to preference. [quote]Raid (PvE content) group requirements based on PvP statistic is just utterly idiotic. [/quote] Kill:death is not a PvP statistic. Go to your "legend" page on this site. Your k/d is recorded for everything you do. Your k/d in strikes measures how many aliens you kill on average before the aliens get you...it's actually fairly useful. [quote]All those whining of elitism of ppl that don't want MM and plan on using K/R to choose players are the real elitists.[/quote] I don't think that there's anyone that is simultaneously whining about lack of matchmaking that also plan on using k/d to predict who joins them. That's not elitist though, it's hypocrisy, but I see your point. [quote]I want to do only PvE in destiny but I'll likely be left off PvE for that reason? Shitty community[/quote] You just take the ball and run with it don't you? :l You don't need to assume so much about people. There will be many, MANY groups that won't require k/d to join. Those that do require k/d to join are groups that don't like failing and want to successfully do the content, this happens in WoW except you link your raid experience and your gear quality. Judging people beforehand is REALLY important for something as difficult as a raid, where one idiot can waste hours of other people's time by constantly screwing things up.
