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5/18/2013 4:14:40 AM
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THEORY: Phobos and Mars in Destiny, is it artificial? And fantasy elements in Destiny

[quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)]Shklovsky's "Hollow Phobos" hypothesis[/url] [edit] Globe of Phobos at the Memorial Museum of Astronautics in Moscow. In the late 1950s and 1960s, the unusual orbital characteristics of Phobos led to speculations that it might be hollow. Around 1958, Russian astrophysicist Iosif Samuilovich Shklovsky, studying the secular acceleration of Phobos's orbital motion, suggested a "thin sheet metal" structure for Phobos, a suggestion which led to speculations that Phobos was of artificial origin.[44] Shklovsky based his analysis on estimates of the upper Martian atmosphere's density, and deduced that for the weak braking effect to be able to account for the secular acceleration, Phobos had to be very light — one calculation yielded a hollow iron sphere 16 kilometers (9.9 mi) across but less than 6 cm thick.[44][45] In a February 1960 letter to the journal Astronautics,[46] Fred Singer, then science advisor to U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, said of Shklovsky's theory: If the satellite is indeed spiraling inward as deduced from astronomical observation, then there is little alternative to the hypothesis that it is hollow and therefore Martian made. The big 'if' lies in the astronomical observations; they may well be in error. Since they are based on several independent sets of measurements taken decades apart by different observers with different instruments, systematic errors may have influenced them.[46] Subsequently, the systemic data errors that Singer predicted were found to exist, and the claim was called into doubt,[47] and accurate measurements of the orbit available by 1969 showed that the discrepancy did not exist.[48] Singer's critique was justified when earlier studies were discovered to have used an overestimated value of 5 cm/yr for the rate of altitude loss, which was later revised to 1.8 cm/yr.[49] The secular acceleration is now attributed to tidal effects,[47] which had not been considered in the earlier studies. The density of Phobos has now been directly measured by spacecraft to be 1.887 g/cm3.[4] Current observations are consistent with Phobos being a rubble pile.[4] In addition, images obtained by the Viking probes in the 1970s clearly showed a natural object, not an artificial one. Nevertheless, mapping by the Mars Express probe and subsequent volume calculations do suggest the presence of voids within the moon and indicate that it is not a solid chunk of rock but a porous body instead.[50] The porosity of Phobos was calculated to be 30% ± 5%, or a quarter to a third of the moon being hollow. This void space is mostly on small scales (millimeters to ~1-m), between individual grains and boulders.[6][/quote] So obviously the recent Bungie male sack has hit the fan, if you haven't read it, READ IT. After reading this: [quote]Phobos, one of Mars’ moons, is on a decaying orbit and will eventually crash into the planet! Reed Shingledecker, Artist[/quote] And the above Wiki on Phobos. A thought entered my mind. Bungie had stated that they wanted to mix elements of fantasy into Destiny. Will they make famous hypotheses about this solar system, that have been later to be proven false, TRUE in Destiny's universe? I mean...what if Phobos WAS artificial?! Our Universe, our knowledge of this solar system and its timeline, would be flipped on its head. That would mean we had intelligent life in this solar system BEFORE humans. Is that where the Destiny "fantasy" kicks in? Or is the fantasy only going to be going as far as humanity's future and our near extinction as well as meeting aliens? Cause that was Halo, THAT was scifi. So my question is: Are the fantasy elements in Destiny going to alter previous scientific discoveries, where some of the outrageous hypotheses were actually true?

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  • Edited by Steel Assassin: 5/18/2013 1:53:50 PM
    Pretty interesting. I was imagining them having Phobos crash into Mars in Destiny at some point, but the thought of an artificial moon is also interesting.

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    • LOL, "male sack" OT sounds cool but tbh I'd be just as happy if there were things living in the catacombs of Phobos. It could go all Armageddon-y; guardians sent to plant a bomb at the moon's core to prevent it from colliding with Earth, only, you arrive and discover shadowy moon goblins. And yes, I do expect "shadowy moon goblins" to be their actual name.

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    • Personally... I'd like to see a hit of both. Phobos is actually artificial, but it is also about to collide with the planet. Perhaps a mission of ours could be to find what's inside the hollow shell... Maybe... A long dead Traveler?!?!? But seriously... I'd dig it.

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    • I actually really like this idea, it blends the science and fantasy better than "OMGZ SPACE ELVEZ" Would be interesting to see where they would take it, and nice little Easter eggs for people who know enough about our solar system to know how Bungie tweaked facts to make it something more.

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