[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa In regards to the OP, everything in TFoR is still canon except for the length of the battle. Lasting from the 12th of August up to the 30th of the same month. The Covies were on Reach before then, but fullscale war hadn't begun until the 12th when the UNSC assaulted that big drop zone and the Supercarrier revealed itself. So rather than lasting a laughable 30-45 minutes like in TFoR (that was the main short-coming of the book, the battle was not portrayed at all realistically), it lasts roughly two weeks. And the only other change was when the Autumn left Reach for Alpha Halo and how long real fighting lasted on the 30th. Everything else happens as it did in canon. In the early hours of the 30th the Spartans split up, roughly 15-30 minutes later Chief and his survivors are picked up again, and then at some point between 6:45 AM IIRC and 4:30 PM, the Autumn goes down to the ship yards in Aszod to await Noble Team and the fragment of Cortana Six is carrying. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwistedDippy666 For Halo Reach to make any sense whatsoever it's accepted that what happens in the game is what ONI manages to piece together from pieces of small intel. If you want to get right down into it then the dates really mess up a lot of what happens, the PoA being on the ground ruins canon even more. It's best just to disregard reach.[/quote] The dates don't mess anything up at all. A small Covenant fleet arrives just after the destruction of the LNoS and Reach is officially under invasion, yet the UNSC is able to mostly hold them at bay and UNSC reinforcements poor in daily...as the planet is able to hold off the invasion, the PoA is prepped for departure on the 30th....Keyes decides to return to Reach when the Fleet of Particular Justice arrives and Reach starts getting overrun. There's nothing to conflict in that. And no, the Autumn being groundside after Chief, Johnson, clinically-dead Linda, and the other marines are extracted from Gamma Station does not break or ruin anything. The Autumn simply goes down to the surface of Reach after extracting the above because Halsey sends Keyes a message....how does that even come close to breaking canon?[/quote] Humanity only had a chance in fights when they outnumbered covenant 3:1, it was the other way around for reach, the length of the fall is about right seeing as how handicapped the UNSC were. Also the specialist covenant ship with the prototype weapon was eliminating ships in seconds. Also the Autumn was built in zero gee conditions as it was too heavy to be built in atmosphere, it was never deisgned to land on a planet, hence why keyes crashed it into halo. Also the spartan 3's never went near Reach at all, nor did they get mjolnir.[/quote] Uh, you know that the Pillar of Autumn was able to land on Reach because of those yellow thrusters right? [Edited on 11.04.2012 4:44 PM PST]