[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4732421/US-DJ-in-shock-pro-gun-rant-at-Piers-Morgan.html]and the republic will wise again.[/url] [quote]But radio show host Alex Jones appeared to lose the plot last night on US TV as he screamed at Morgan at the top of his lungs, calling him a "redcoat foreigner" - a reference to Morgan's British citizenship - and threatened a revolution if anyone tried to "take our guns".[/quote] So, don't you guys have anybody better to stand up for guns? So far you have this guy and the Pro-gun lobby guys? Also the woman who got got shot in the face a year or so ago is trying to get rid of gun violence. So right now there doesn't seem to be a decent argument or rational thought coming from the US media as to why the guns should stay. Would you join this so called "Revolution"? Should people like this DJ be listened to?[/quote]please, DJ? ask anyone in the know and they'll tell you Alex Jones is a major Conspiracy Theorist Nutjob. they sent him on the show to make it look like all gun owners are raving nutjobs. but he is right in that piers is a brit and shouldn't be talking about our rights that he has no right to use... have we got anything to say or defend our point of view? not when the target audience blatantly goes out of it's way to spread lies, ignorance, and ignore facts and statistics. because nobody can get through to a person that determined to NOT listen. when the target audience is level headed reasonable people(IE [b]not[/b] the typical "STFU STFU, the children, man! lalal i can't hear you, you're too stupid, a very dumb man! you're beneath me, you ignorant redneck!") yes, we have millions of well spoken individuals who could represent us in a national debate. and another problem you(general sense) say "hurr, typical pro gun lobby ignorant redneck" whenever someone states a fact that undermines your position. no, we're not propagandist shills trying to make you fear anything, we're trying to educate people about facts on a topic they have no understanding of, and that the sensationalist media themselves don't understand, and infact hate. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] T1d3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShotgunTroll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShotgunTroll i find [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDglpt8hpyg&feature=share]this[/url] important for people to see.[/quote]also [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-CLsMRcA0]this[/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-CLsMRcA0]this[/url].[/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXOuuHcjbs]my personal favorite[/url] NSFW-language[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShotgunTroll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ShotgunTroll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gruntzilla24 I don't think anyone here is in favor of totally banning guns. There are legal solutions to these mass shootings. Instead of being a total -blam!-, why don't you support these solutions? [/quote]because if you'd bother doing actual factual, you'd know you have no real ground on which to accuse legal gun owners of being the cause of crimes. we have a poor justice system, a poor education system, a poor healthcare system, too much unemployment rates, over 11 million illegal invaders, and an aging infrastructure. get rid of those problems and you stop a lot of crimes. instead you just repeat whatever false info you're told on the news, never thinking, never questioning, never learning. hell i posted resources with which to start doing research in the OP. it gets ignored because "Hurr, doesn't support my position. it's invalid". we're not being unreasonable, it's the people who don't listen to fact and only want feel good laws that don't solve any problems who're being unreasonable. we're trying to teach ya something but it's only met with a NOOOPE.avi response what good does an AWB do? we had one before and crime ONLY went up. because it only bans guns that some politician thinks looks scary. no functions affected, just looks and the legal citizens affected. and the so called Assalt wepunz are used in less than 1% of all gun crime. 94% of ALL gun crime is gang members killing other gang members with small handguns in small calibers like .22 short. Semi-auto means only one shot per trigger pull. hold the trigger and you'll still only have fired one shot until you let go and pull again. >ban MGs! uh, they already did. in 1934 they required a $200 registration. on May 19, 1986 they closed the registry, defacto banning new MGs for non-government use. what's more is that there have only been 5 crimes committed with a registered MG since 1934 till now. 2 of those being a police officer's murder-suicide. >ban the high cap mags! uh, we tried that before. didn't stop crime at all. Columbine used several 10 rounder magazines in fact. reloading is a pain, drops the fun level at the range. criminals don't care about that anyways and "high cap" is a misnomer because 30 round mags for say an AR-15 or AKM pattern rifle is actually standard capacity. >background check when you buy guns/gunshow loophole uh have you never heard of a 4473 or bill of sale? >registration historically has always been the first step to confiscation. >well regulated at that time, the words meant well functioning. and besides, the early US navy and Cannons used in the rev war were privately owned. >no militia Militia act of 1903 says every eligible male from 18-45 IS the militia >they only had muskets and kentucky long rifles. grape shot, girandoni air rifle, and puckel gun. so what do you do? put welfare recipients in gov't factory jobs making things in the US, working for their money and take other measures to improve mental and physical healthcare and education, fix the infrastructure and reduce the underlying sociological root causes of crime. and "mass shootings". that's also a misnomer. those are actually small, irregular minority events that receive massive publicity from a sensationalist politically agenda-ized media with no interest in truth. they are NOT as common as you think. they're just FAR more publicized. and amount of children/people killed annually? they fluff and pad those stats. they include suicides as firearms crimes, they include people killed in gang on gang violence up to the age range of of 18- 22 as "children" to boost stats. the worst attack on a US school happened the day before lindburgh crossed the Atlantic and was a bombing by a PO'd Assistant Principal named Andrew Ke[i]h[/i]oe. over 45 people killed. nearly no publicity due to said flight though. if we really do use the same scapegoating against guns,without bias or twisting, logic dictates Boxcutters caused 9/11. Fertilizer caused Oklahoma City.[/quote]anyone even gonna try to refute this?[/quote]