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5/12/2010 5:02:41 AM
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How Bungie will introduce their next title...Marathon!

First, I half-way did this to upset people. However, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. So we know Bungie said Halo and Marathon are different universes. We also know about a certain ex-executive slipping and trying to recall his statement that MC and the security officer are the same people. These are givens, they are not refutable. Well here is how they are going to tie it in. It all has to do with 7, but you won't understand that unless you figure out the secret to 7 (think religion). So, here are a few things to tie it together. Slip space travel is actually travel between universes, and it is possible to exit into alternate opposed universes. That's my theory, but if you played all their games, you can see why I theorized on this, especially the third Marathon. We know the Halo distress takes place in the 2500's, irrefutable. We know outside of that the universe was relatively calm since the Forerunners, just skirmishes at the best between human colonies. We know in Marathon, the universes is in distress more often than not. We also know nothing of note happened in the 2500's. Bare with me, all this will tie in soon. We known Guilty Spark 343 recognized the Chief for some reason. Why, we don't know. We know at the end of Halo 3 the Chief's half of the ship split off from the other during a closure in slip space. So what does this all mean. For this to work we need to give a little way to science fiction. Let's assume that rogue AI, such as Cortana (Halo) and Beowulf (Marathon) are not confined to the physical limitations of dimensions like organic life and that information is open freely between them. Let's conclude that the Forerunner's were advanced enough to cross through time and dimensions. It's plausible considering them. In doing so they created an information link that transcends time and space for computers. Consider this could be very confusing to the AI involved. For this, I say Beowulf = Guilty Spark 343, in a manner of speaking. This is why he recognizes the chief. So when one universe is in distress, the other is calm. For every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. When the Chief, Arbiter and Cortana tried to make the slip space jump, the ship split. Sending the Arbiter back to his universe and MC and Cortana to the Marathon universe. The Chief is put into stasis with the instructions to Cortana to wake him when he is needed. Cortana has a life span that is almost over. During their free float, Cortana overflows with information and implodes. The Chief is not monitored or awaken and passes in his perfect frozen state. One day he is found, genetically superior, with incredible technology. Someone, some scientist, decides he is a perfect test subject for a super soldier program. Graphs on cyborg technology onto his body to reanimate him. He is employed at what he does best war. Becoming employed to the security officer position for his extreme prowess on the battle field. Now we have a seamless transition that works with the Marathon time line and Halo time line. Bungie, I have a job, that I hate, so if you want to pay me to write story lines, let me know. I appreciate the ingenuity that you used to make sure when you left the death grip of MS that you could keep your hero for further games without violating IP ownership rights. Awesome job! And on the 7th day he rested.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spawned For the last time, the only thing Bungie said is they are not the SAME universe.[/quote] You're mistaking the idea of a canonical universe for a physical one. [quote]1. If they can prove MC is an IP before Halo, and Microsoft owns the rights to Halo, than legally they can make a claim at the MC as not being owned by Microsoft. There is a lot of law that you and even I, a man related to way too many lawyers, could even begin to untangle. So don't take everything at face value.[/quote] No court is going to uphold Master Chief being retconned into the Marathon universe as being proof of his prior existence. Maybe if there were well-documented Bungie records created at the time of [b][u][i]MARATHON'S[/i][/u][/b] creation that showed that the two were obviously the same (like, for instance, if the Security Officer's serial number was SPARTAN-117), they could pull it off. But unless there's irrefutable proof, it's gonna go to Microsoft. And I don't think Bungie's going to risk a lawsuit from one of the most powerful companies on the planet just for one guy in a green suit. [quote]2. Marathon does end with the end of the universe, but if MC is the SG, than he was in at least 3 games before he was finished off, and therefore they can by theory be the same person.[/quote] But the point is that Bungie CANNOT GO ANYWHERE ELSE WITH THIS STORY. IT HAS BEEN TOLD. WE KNOW HOW IT ENDS. There's no point in telling it again just to slip the Chief in. [quote]3. I am not discrediting anyone's post of idea. I simply stated someone is over-reaching, which is not the same as grasping. This merely means cortana5 could be correct, but is probably assuming a lot more historical connections than Bungie probably considered.[/quote] So you somehow think it's coincidence that two of two AIs bear the names of related mythological swords? HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN HOW FREAKING IN-DEPTH THESE GUYS GET? To ignore this connection is to ignore everything that is Bungie. Very little is ever accidental when Bungie is involved, and this is too big to be a coincidence. [quote]4. The truh, the real truth, is this mess with MS and the years that have gone by could and probably did change the actual vision. I am without a doubt in my mind positive that the MC was originally designed as the SG and Halo as a prequel and I believe they had all these possible connection points to use to merge them. However, I think unforeseeable things and changes in leadership and staff as morphed the original intent. The point simply is, that these ideas that Halo = Marathon = MC = SG is not far fetched and was probably the prevailing concept back at Bungie. We will probably never know unless we work for Bungie one day. Even then they probably wouldn't elaborate.[/quote] So what you're saying is that your argument is completely irrelevant. If we will never know, then your assertion that Bungie will introduce [i][u]MARTAHON[/u][/i] as their next title cannot POSSIBLY be true. [quote]The only thing I do know is the number 7 in religion is the number of completeness, perfection if you will, though some think 10 is this number, others say 777 is the number of perfection and so on. So as far as it all, at least I know why Bungie is obsessed with the number of 7.[/quote]First: Bungie's love affair with the number seven isn't a news flash for anyone, but said love affair does not govern every little move the company makes. That would be dumb. Second: Unless you explain how Bungie's love of seven has any sort of bearing on your argument other than being a convenient justification for a "seventh game" to act as a bridge between Halo and Marathon (which is a damn long stretch in and of itself, because it would mean writing off not only Halo Wars and ODST but also Reach), this is irrelevant to the point of insanity. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spawned Sardonic 13. A theory is nothing more than some facts wrapped in with assumptions. So everyone's theory is a baseless assumption.[/quote] If there are facts, it's impossible to be "baseless". That's essential to the definition of "baseless". [quote]Maybe slip space travel is travel between dimensions and Marathon and Halo are different dimensions of the same universe.[/quote] Slipspace isn't another dimension; it's a warping of this one. This has been addressed. Not to mention that a being which exists in four dimensions (Length, width, height and time) such as the Master Chief would not translate well into a fifth or sixth dimension. I think he'd die, at best. Not only that, the amount of writing needed to explain something this complex would be ludicrous, and would make for a not-so-entertaining game. [quote]Again no one can come in here as cavalier as you just did and claim any theory is impossible. Unless you own Bungie at which point you can.[/quote] Of course he can't claim it's impossible, because Bungie can defy all logic and reasoning and drop in something as ridiculously [i]deus ex machina[/i] as this if they really want to. But you didn't present anything to refute his assertion that [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sardonic13 The SO was born on Mars and remembers his father. He spent 300 years aboard the Marathon traveling from Sol to Tau Ceti. He acted as a security officer on the colony for at least 3 years before the Pfhor attack on the Marathon. The MC cannot be simply dropped into the Marathon Universe after surviving the events of Halo 3 and become the SO.[/quote] Inter-dimensional travel or not, this makes your theory highly illogical. Bungie would have to blow a horrendous hole in their own canon in order to pull it off, and it would just seem like terrible writing. Your theory and this data are irreconcilable. In fact, nearly everything Sardonic 13 said runs in opposition to your theory, and you didn't address any of it adequately. Of course the Covenant saw major military activity outside of the window of the 2500s. Or did you forget that there was a major war between the Elites and the Prophets before the Covenant was formed? Or that the Flood and the Sentinels have been at war on Delta Halo for a hundred thousand years? And he's completely right in saying that you can't assume that the Forerunners were capable of inter-dimensional or inter-universal travel because there is no evidence to suggest that they could. Even if you could somehow make that assumption, you still didn't address why the Forerunners didn't simply deal with the Flood by banishing it to another dimension, or escaping to another universe themselves. You can't simply dismiss counterarguments to your theory with offhand dismissals and simple avoidance of acknowledgment. As an addendum; nowhere in this entire thread have you given a single logical reason why Bungie would risk a lawsuit from Microsoft simply to bring the Master Chief into a game series which they concluded over ten years ago. There isn't a good reason to do it. To assume that Bungie somehow needs to continue working with the Master Chief in a universe which they have already fully established does a disservice to their well-established creative abilities. Bungie is more than capable of coming up with a fantastic new universe, and to simply put a used character into a used universe makes no sense. I have made this argument multiple times now, but you have not addressed it. Begin presenting adequate counterarguments or [u][i]GET THEE GONE![/i][/u] [Edited on 05.12.2010 10:07 PM PDT]

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