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12/29/2012 9:12:13 AM
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Let's talk about killing as a form of punishment.
Is it ever justified?
In my opinion, it's not. When we kill killers, we become them. No matter what crime someone has committed, the death penalty should never be an option.
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Let's talk about your future ban instead.
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Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.
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inb4someonetalkingaboutphonies On topic: In very specific situations, yes, I think it can be justified. [Edited on 12.29.2012 1:14 AM PST]
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When the criminal becomes too much of a problem to otherwise deal with and cannot be released safely into society, yes.
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08]How about no ?[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote]Exactly.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)
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I agree. I dont support a death penalty. But I would support a survive penalty. That would entail dropping killers in harsh climates, a hundred miles from civilization, with little to no supplies, and telling them to survive.
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Pretty sure killing someone legally is much more expensive than just putting them in prison.
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execution is justified on a "eye for eye" basis. U.S prisons are getting too crowded. on a side note, I don't see banning criteria. its a discussion topic.
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It is only justified on proven psychologically proven psychopaths. I believe they are the only criminals that deserve execution due to their inherent need to hurt and kill. (This is only for people that are born that way though)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] Money < Morality
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TRENT1221996 I agree. I dont support a death penalty. But I would support a survive penalty. That would entail dropping killers in harsh climates, a hundred miles from civilization, with little to no supplies, and telling them to survive.[/quote] like the Russian exiles to Siberia, correct? or the early colonization of Australia [Edited on 12.29.2012 1:19 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] Money < Morality[/quote]Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TRENT1221996 I agree. I dont support a death penalty. But I would support a survive penalty. That would entail dropping killers in harsh climates, a hundred miles from civilization, with little to no supplies, and telling them to survive.[/quote]The only huge problem with that is that sometimes these people get angry and being criminals some could survive and come back and do more damage. Or they'd carve out their own fiefdom out there in the Stix.
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Why shouldn't we use the death penalty? People who have committed violent crimes such as -blam!- or Murder 1 should executed. He was found guilty by a jury, and was sentenced to it. The fear of death can make man bite his tongue, and cut out the tongues of the ones who don't.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote]No, just no
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xODSTxDutch Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid[/quote] See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xODSTxDutch [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote]No, just no[/quote] Shocking, isn't it?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote] Yeah, the legal process takes forever. A death sentence might save money in a very primitive government though.
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Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours. I also believe -blam!- should be punishable by death in cases of multiple offenses, but I'm biased due to being a friend of a victim. [Edited on 12.29.2012 1:23 AM PST]
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I suppose as long as this remains philosophy-based and not a debate over current legislation (which may be too thin a line for this site to observe), this topic won't be locked. I believe that once one purposely takes away another's right to live, they forfeit that right for themselves.
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If it wasn't so expensive and such a hassle I'd be all for it! I mean, here's the way I look at it: The instant you take the life of another human being in cold blooded murder, you forfeit your rights as a human being as well and are more akin to an animal at that point than human. Why? Because you took away the ultimate basic right of another - the right to live, and murders are more often than not animalistic and brutal in nature. Therefore, you are subjected to the same rights as an animal in nature for killing a human - they hunt you down and kill you. In fact, I feel bad for animals in that sense since they're doing what they do, kill and survive or such, but not for humans. Humans who murder know full well the extent of such a thing but do it anyway. It isn't immoral to punish them justly, the lost their right to life once they took it. Plus they get a much cleaner, more peaceful death than any murder victims I know of (typically).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OneDeadCaveMan Life is sacred. If you actively take that from another conscious, living being, you deserve to lose yours.[/quote] That's a pretty hypocritical statement.
