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12/2/2012 1:20:41 AM
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Destiny's Universe and Exploration

[quote][b]There is a TL;DR at the bottom[/b][/quote][quote]This thread discusses leaks, but does not contain any that haven't been posted before. It contains the recent IGN/Kotaku concept art and story details. It also discusses the demonware blog leak slightly, but no link posted to the actual leak.[/quote] I have been looking over some Destiny information, and I thought it was time for me to make a post, speculating about something we could be doing in Destiny. So let me get to it. I think Bungie has always been a big proponent of exploration in games.[quote][url=http://youtu.be/T0_jiB2hqeQ?t=57s]"Something that was core to the game in the beginning, was that sense of wonder and exploration."[/url][/quote][quote][url=http://youtu.be/T0_jiB2hqeQ?t=4m19s]"We want to build spaces you want to explore."[/url][/quote](Quotes taken from Halo: Reach ViDoc) Easter eggs come to mind when thinking of exploration, and we all know Bungie has had a number of easter eggs in their games. So we can guess that exploration will be a big part of Destiny. It practically says so [url=http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/186ndteg84riwjpg/original.jpg]here[/url].[quote]"Centered around adventure and fun, the game is designed to be highly social while also allowing for [i][b]open exploration[/i][/b]."[/quote] So, where do we get to explore? The last city and it's surrounding area? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=68213981]Puerto Princesa[/url] and it's terrain around the city would seem like a pretty open place to explore. We know Bungie is capable of making big open playable spaces with multiple players (see ODST's campaign, Reach's campaign and Forge World). But I think this game will be bigger/better than that. I'm thinking you can explore the entire solar system/universe possibly. A game hyped to be "One of the most ambitious games ever created.", it's not a farfetch'd idea. Plus this idea is founded on some information we have. [url=http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/186ndteg84riwjpg/original.jpg]This image[/url] has some quotes: [quote]"Destiny features a [i][b]rich universe[/i][/b] populated with fantastic characters and [i][b]fantastic worlds[/i][/b] that are grounded in our solar system."[/quote]Worlds, plural. I thought that was noteworthy.[quote]"The ambition is to create a [i][b]universe[/i][/b] as deep, tangible and relatable to that of the Star Wars franchise."[/quote]If Destiny only had one setting, and that were the last city on earth, this universe wouldn't be as 'deep' as the Star Wars franchise. [url=http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/186ndtmch5it3jpg/original.jpg]This image[/url] also has some quotes: [quote]"Our story [i][b]begins[/i][/b] seven hundred years from now in the Last City on Earth, in a [i][b]Solar System littered with the ruins of man's Golden Age[/i][/b]."[/quote]The story begins on earth, but where can it end up? Anywhere in the universe possibly? Also, it says the Solar System is littered with ruins of man's golden age. I think this means that we have colonized other planets perhaps? But why is everything in ruins? Could it be the same reason why there is only 1 city left on earth? Maybe it's a universe catastrophe that left the entire universe in ruins. Maybe the last city hasn't been affected because we have this "protector". Maybe the aliens want this last city because it's the only place that hasn't been affected by whatever has left the universe in ruins. (This is all just speculation, I suppose for another thread, this thread is about exploration)[quote]"Meanwhile, strange, alien monsters creep in from the [i][b]edge of the universe[/i][/b]..." "We are young 'knights' tasked with defending the remains of humanity, [i][b]discovering[/i][/b] the source of these monsters and -eventually- overcoming them."[/quote]If we are to discover the source of these monsters, wouldn't we have to go to the 'edge of the universe', or atleast off of our planet? [url=http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/186ndts9izgipjpg/original.jpg]This image[/url] has one quote: [quote]"An exciting [i][b]trek through the universe[/i][/b], filled with mystery and action."[/quote]"Trek through the universe" seems to be very in favour of my theory. In the second leak, also known as the 'demonware blog' leak, we get more information about the game. Since I don't want to get banned, I'm not going to post a link to the leak. [i]I had it in my rough draft, and was planning on posting it if I got confirmation from a ninja or an employee if it was okay, but I'm kind of impatient, so I just took it out and will just be discussing it slightly.[/i] In the blog post, the person says the game reminds him of 'Elite'. A game from the 80's, which had 2 sequels in the 90's. In Elite you explore the universe with your spaceship, gaining credits by "piracy, trade, military missions, bounty hunting and asteroid mining", upgrading your spaceship with the money you recieve from missions and other ventures. Destiny reminded him of a game that was purely about space travel. Pretty interesting if you ask me. So, now to tie this all together. How does one space travel? In spaceships of course! Halo: Reach comes to mind, piloting your sabre, space battles. Bungie now has experience with space battles and related mechanics, this could be a foreshadowing Destiny. Now in some of the concept art that was leaked, we see, you guessed it.. [url=http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/32.jpg]SPACE[/url]-[url=http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/81.jpg]SHIPS[/url]! Also, in all of the [url=http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/11/28/destiny-story-details-concept-art-leaked]concept art[/url], all of the people have either full helmets, or breathing apparatuses. Things needed for space travel and OTHER worlds, with different atmoshperes. Spaceships are otherwise known as "starships". I remember there being something in this week's mailsack about starships.... [quote][b]WestCoastRonin:[/b] Besides building an awesome universe that none of us can see yet, what is a perk of working at Bungie that most of us on the outside wouldn't know about? Piloting an amazing starship is a fantastic recent perk. [b]Michael Williams, Senior Engineer[/b][/quote]To which Deej added:[quote]Ahhhh, yes. I'll tell that story next week, Bungie Community. Promise.[/quote]What's next week? Well aside from the next mailsack, it's the VGAs. Where [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75982921]a lot of people[/url] think Destiny will be officially revealed. If it is revealed at the VGAs, we could see more information pumped out at us. Maybe next week we will see a return to the Bungie Weekly Updates? Bungie "can't wait" until they're "firehosing information" at us. I guess we'll all find out in a weeks time. Alright, so with all that information, it's looking likely that we may be able to explore an entire solar system/universe, and not just this "last city" and it's surrounding area. Maybe we will be able to explore several other planets. Not full planets, but huge planet like 'levels'. For example, we start on earth in the last city on earth. Which probably has surrounding terrain, and we can explore all that. Maybe we start low, work our way up, get a spaceship eventually and then can take it into space, and then explore space, to different planets and places (space stations, asteroid belts, etc.) Each planet would have a pretty big explorable space, close to the size of whatever the last city and it's surrounding area is. [quote]TL;DR: I think we will be able to explore the entire solar system/universe in Destiny, we have a wealth of information that supports this theory.[/quote] Discuss my theory, and everything about space travel and exploration in Destiny. If you were tough enough to read the entire post.

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  • I love the thought and time you put into this, and it's great to have all this info in one place. In terms of including leaks, I think you should be fine. Obviously we want Bungie to dispell information in their own way, but they must be nearly ready for this by giving us a few things to look at. I think they WANT us to speculate. So let the speculation begin!!! [Edited on 12.01.2012 5:52 PM PST]

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  • On a separate note, I hope you are right, because I think exploration is a great way to make a universe that is always available to its patrons. In the last year, I have become infatuated with games that focus on exploration (Minecraft, The War Z, Spelunky, etc). There is something very different about games like this, and I can't seem to stay away from them once I start. When you never know what treasure or tragedy may be around every corner, you are perpetually on the edge of your seat. Pair that feeling with a sense of camaraderie that Bungie guarantees, stellar graphics and a deep storyline, and you may have the greatest game in history (at least for me).

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  • Thanks for reading, I know that is a task in and of itself, ahahaha. I agree, games with exploration are fun. Skyrim, comes to mind, but the thing about Destiny is, it has the chance to be better. Different settings adds variety, something that lacked in Skyrim, which makes a game much more replayable.

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  • I can't wait to explore [url=http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/destiny-12jpg-8430f4.jpg]this place[/url].

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  • That's a lot of stuff, reading now.

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  • I thoroughly enjoyed the exploration aspect from Mass Effect 1, going to other planets and roaming unknown lands - simply for the experience of discovering the unknown.

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  • I thought the same thing in the mailsack

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  • Gods, what a place! I've been wanting to play a current gen Elite forever.

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  • "The leaked contract stated that the first game's budget could be as much as $140 million including marketing, and in any case,[u] the game quite likely has one of the highest budgets for a new intellectual property ever.[/u]" Oh wow, this is an interesting tid-bit

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  • I was allready stoked when there were few rumors, and yuKnow, Bungie not really saying anything, but honestly,? I can't wait!¡!, like this guy. (Destiny is gonna be my new Motto xD) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcTVXX1htk[/url] srry I fail for HL, I know...:( [Edited on 12.01.2012 6:44 PM PST]

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  • I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote] That is odd, why create a spaceship? for giggles. No, there has to be something more to that. You don't just start working on a video game then say "Hey Bob, lets make a spaceship".

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote]Ahhh shoot, I was hoping it would be about Destiny. Damn you Deej! Misleading us like that... argh.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] POKEY CLYDE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote]Ahhh shoot, I was hoping it would be about Destiny. Damn you Deej! Misleading us like that... argh. [/quote] You don't find them "randomly" making a space-ship could signify anything or be important? Everything Bungie has done hints or is tied to their game it seems.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] POKEY CLYDE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote]Ahhh shoot, I was hoping it would be about Destiny. Damn you Deej! Misleading us like that... argh. [/quote]You don't find them "randomly" making a space-ship could signify anything or be important? Everything Bungie has done hints or is tied to their game it seems. [/quote]Good point! Though I was more bummed that it might not be what I'm expecting. Which was, the reveal, and then information on how in the game we can space travel, showing us in-game assets and stuff of it. A boy can wish can't he? But yes, even if it's a couple employees making a make-shift space ship, it's probably Destiny related. I just wish it would be something more direct and concrete, than us having to draw speculation some more.

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  • I always thought the "See you Starside" saying indicated that it would be a somewhat 'space exploration' game. The "Long Night of Solace" mission in Reach might of been a way for them to playtest space flight too. So going from planet to planet might be realtime. Who knows? [Edited on 12.01.2012 6:54 PM PST]

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  • I would love to explore space in Destiny. It would totally make sense of the whole "See You Star Side".

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote] That is odd, why create a spaceship? for giggles. [/quote][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75790293&postRepeater1-p=2][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SGT Rhino 76 Does Bungie often engage in on-the-job shenanigans? DeeJ said: We built ourselves a starship at lunch recently. I'll tell that story sometime on the blog. I have pics.[/quote][/url]Yes Ken. I'm pretty sure giggles would fall under the realm of "On-the-job Shenanigans". Keep in mind, there are a lot of nerds at Bungie, many of them are artists.

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  • The thing about exploration games is they can get really dull really fast if the areas aren't diverse and interesting. That being said from the screenshots we've seen so far these environments look incredibly diverse and interesting. But you can't really judge by concept art alone. I can't wait to see a trailer.

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  • Very inspiring thread OP and especially the last part : [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] POKEY CLYDE Alright, so with all that information, it's looking likely that we may be able to explore an entire solar system/universe, and not just this "last city" and it's surrounding area. Maybe we will be able to explore several other planets. Not full planets, but huge planet like 'levels'. For example, we start on earth in the last city on earth. Which probably has surrounding terrain, and we can explore all that. Maybe we start low, work our way up, get a spaceship eventually and then can take it into space, and then explore space, to different planets and places (space stations, asteroid belts, etc.) Each planet would have a pretty big explorable space, close to the size of whatever the last city and it's surrounding area is. [quote]TL;DR: I think we will be able to explore the entire solar system/universe in Destiny, we have a wealth of information that supports this theory.[/quote] Discuss my theory, and everything about space travel and exploration in Destiny. If you were tough enough to read the entire post.[/quote] Your hypothesis made me think about a huge ODST-like game on a bigger scale, you know what i mean ? Imagine the last Phillipines city is like New Mombasa, it will be the main place where you starting, you'll have some missions in different area of the city and even in environment (mountain, ruins...) but you stay attached to this place as "the protector" with your team (knight). But when the story will lift of (and became deeper) you'll have to do the same, this mean you'll have to travel in the galaxy for pursuing the story, for discovering answers to your questions and the great mystery of the game (wich could be the "Traveler"). You'll find other planet populated by what ? ennemies ? factions maybe ? In ODST we were supposed to relive certain events of our team mate in flashback ; Events you could find with your map, i think it could be "similar". Destiny seems to take seriously the importance of map & geography. It's possible we'll have some objectives outside earth and accomplish stuff in differents planet of our solar system a la ODST Flashback but in a Galactic approach... [Edited on 12.02.2012 7:40 AM PST]

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  • To me it has always felt a bit odd that Bungie decided it was worth it to implement [i]space battle[/i] in Reach, for a sequence that only lasted for about fifteen minutes.. Now, [b]I know that sometimes it's worth it just because of commercial purposes[/b], and that they sort of got some more worth out of the endevour with Halo 4... But still, I always saw it as a sample of what was to come. I'd be surprised if it wasn't in Destiny in one way or another; not necesarily space based, could just as well be in-atmosphere. Destiny is an ambitious project, but it has to start somewhere; [b]doubt they'll have every [i]mode[/i] in, in every way possible, in the first game[/b]. It's just speculation, but I believe that the first game will be more of an introduction than the fullfledged experience, a way to ease gamers into it, and then have the first expansion lunge us into the [i]galaxy[/i]. [Edited on 12.02.2012 8:16 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] talon2000 I always thought the "See you Starside" saying indicated that it would be a somewhat 'space exploration' game. The "Long Night of Solace" mission in Reach might of been a way for them to playtest space flight too. So going from planet to planet might be realtime. Who knows?[/quote]Damn you, getting me all exited and whatnot.

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  • I heard "See you starside" was something the bobs said. But regardless, it is another good point for space exploration :D

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos I haven't read most of it yet, but on the topic of the spaceship, I think recently a bunch of Bungie Employees came together during Lunch and created a Space Ship out of random materials they had laying around. DeeJ said that he documented the event, and that he would eventually share that story with us. Pretty sure William's quote and DeeJ's quote is a reference to that.[/quote] That is odd, why create a spaceship? for giggles. [/quote][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75790293&postRepeater1-p=2][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SGT Rhino 76 Does Bungie often engage in on-the-job shenanigans? DeeJ said: We built ourselves a starship at lunch recently. I'll tell that story sometime on the blog. I have pics.[/quote][/url]Yes Ken. I'm pretty sure giggles would fall under the realm of "On-the-job Shenanigans". Keep in mind, there are a lot of nerds at Bungie, many of them are artists.[/quote] let me dream, please. :(

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  • I can't wait for this game!!!!!!!! Great read, OP.

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  • Calling it: The entire 5,656.3 square feet of the close to 300 mile long island of Palawan (upon which Puerto Princes is located) is play(-on-)able and in-game. ©

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