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11/10/2012 11:43:46 PM
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Vaccinations are extremely harmful; natural remedies are essential
I don't understand all the parents who actually [i]choose[/i] to inject their children with viruses, especially with all the new evidence coming out about the dangers of vaccines.
Instead of damaging our children with small strains of illnesses that are designed to attack the immune system, we need to use safe, natural remedies to fight infections [i]with[/i] our immune systems.
Agree?
[Edited on 11.10.2012 3:46 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind Notice where that study took place? Yeah.[/quote] [url=http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full]Collating data from studies in:[/url] The United Kingdom The United Kingdom California Canada England London The United Kingdom Finland Denmark Atlanta Sweden and Denmark Denmark Quebec Denmark The United States England The United Kingdom Conclusion: [quote]Twenty epidemiologic studies have shown that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism. These studies have been performed in several countries by many different investigators who have employed a multitude of epidemiologic and statistical methods. The large size of the studied populations has afforded a level of statistical power sufficient to detect even rare associations. These studies, in concert with the biological implausibility that vaccines overwhelm a child's immune system, have effectively dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism. Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads.[/quote] [Edited on 11.10.2012 5:49 PM PST]
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I find that vaccination-deniers are more motivated by politics than by actual reason or concern for their childrens' health. It mostly comes down to that weirdo-Conservative desire to 'stick it to the man' or resist 'government interference' by choosing to go against the societal consensus of vaccinating your children. In reality though, you are only harming your children by refusing to vaccinate them. Your children paying the price for your own twisted political views is about as low as it gets.
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OP, is your point that vaccines are useless? Or that vaccines keep us "dependent" on pharmaceutical companies? ------------------ The first point is just wrong. Vaccines have eradicated many diseases. The second point? Well, let's say everyone starts taking your "natural" remedies, assuming that they even work Most people don't have a jungle in their backyard. Where would they get all these herbs and plants? They would have to buy them from somewhere. You'd still be dependent on whoever is selling you the herbs and plants. This is an invalid argument.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind No, it's not. Do some research. It hundreds of times more effective than the vaccine.[/quote] That's weird because I can't find any scientific articles about either of those two things being able to fight the polio virus...[/quote]Look harder, then.[/quote] No, you show me some actual scientific articles supporting your claim. Shouldn't be too difficult for you.[/quote][url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Forganichealthadviser.com%2Farchives%2Fvaccines-are-bad-for-you&ei=zgKfUJfHDpG89QSo1YGgDg&usg=AFQjCNE5f6RF_S005X3jR6p3xSzN45BqBQ&sig2=Xk97BWGwqmGvYDeUAP1_dw]Here's one.[/url] [url=http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2012/02/15/10-bad-reasons-not-to-vaccinate/]Here's another.[/url] [url=http://altmedangel.com/vaccine.htm]And here's one more.[/url][/quote] Not a single one of those are scientific articles...are you retarded or something?
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OP is dumb.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind No, it's not. Do some research. It hundreds of times more effective than the vaccine.[/quote] That's weird because I can't find any scientific articles about either of those two things being able to fight the polio virus...[/quote]Look harder, then.[/quote] No, you show me some actual scientific articles supporting your claim. Shouldn't be too difficult for you.[/quote][url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Forganichealthadviser.com%2Farchives%2Fvaccines-are-bad-for-you&ei=zgKfUJfHDpG89QSo1YGgDg&usg=AFQjCNE5f6RF_S005X3jR6p3xSzN45BqBQ&sig2=Xk97BWGwqmGvYDeUAP1_dw]Here's one.[/url] [url=http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2012/02/15/10-bad-reasons-not-to-vaccinate/]Here's another.[/url] [url=http://altmedangel.com/vaccine.htm]And here's one more.[/url]
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7/10 OP. You have rustled many jimmies.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkSunnyboy1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]inb4 he mentions it's from Wikipedia, therefore it does not hold any truth.
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Lol@theOP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote] Notice where that study took place? Yeah. [Edited on 11.10.2012 5:40 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moaningdeathsph [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moaningdeathsph [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind *snip*[/quote] Homeopathy and Herbalism are the same[/quote]lolno. They're two completely different ideas.[/quote] Ok you misquoted me, confirmed troll then. Vaccinations are still necessary though.[/quote]I didn't misquote you. You said "Homeopathy and Herbalism are the same are" and I thought the last "are" was a typo.
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No offense but I have NEVER seen a single piece of evidence to support the notion that vaccinations are harmful. Newsflash: most gets get them and most kids who get them are still alive. It honestly just seems like some silly Conservative conspiracy thing to try to refuse your children vaccinations either because of a religious superstition or because of some stupid desire to feel like you are 'fighting the power' by not following society when in reality you are just endangering your child's health.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Baph117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] random no337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] random no337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Telec [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U]"like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition..."[/url][/quote]Yessss, I was waiting for this one. Anti-vac people really don't have a leg to stand on, there's no actual peer-reviewed literature that links vaccines with autism or [insert disease here], and they've been ridiculously successful and giving us a herd immunity and generally making life less painful.[/quote]Keyword "herd" in herd immunity. These vaccines are turning us into sheep, and that's exactly what Big Medicine wants. Of course there's no "scientific" proof that vaccinations are harmful...who do you think funds the scientists? Not Mother Nature, that's for sure.[/quote]I don't think you understand the mentality of a scientist.[/quote]Most scientists only research in favor of the pharmaceutical companies.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind No, it's not. Do some research. It hundreds of times more effective than the vaccine.[/quote] That's weird because I can't find any scientific articles about either of those two things being able to fight the polio virus...[/quote]Look harder, then.[/quote] No, you show me some actual scientific articles supporting your claim. Shouldn't be too difficult for you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moaningdeathsph [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind *snip*[/quote] Homeopathy and Herbalism are the same[/quote]lolno. They're two completely different ideas.[/quote] Ok you misquoted me, confirmed troll then. Vaccinations are still necessary though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster So what your saying is: the people who make the vaccines that keep people from getting sick benefit the people who make money off people getting sick?[/quote] I'm saying that vaccines don't help us fight sickness. They provide a temporary immunity that weakens us in the long run and keeps us dependent on the pharmaceutical companies. [/quote] Except for, ya know, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis etc
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] random no337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Telec [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U]"like a sniper using bollocks for ammunition..."[/url][/quote]Yessss, I was waiting for this one. Anti-vac people really don't have a leg to stand on, there's no actual peer-reviewed literature that links vaccines with autism or [insert disease here], and they've been ridiculously successful and giving us a herd immunity and generally making life less painful.[/quote]Keyword "herd" in herd immunity. These vaccines are turning us into sheep, and that's exactly what Big Medicine wants. Of course there's no "scientific" proof that vaccinations are harmful...who do you think funds the scientists? Not Mother Nature, that's for sure.[/quote]I don't think you understand the mentality of a scientist.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moaningdeathsph [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind *snip*[/quote] Homeopathy and Herbalism are the same[/quote]lolno. They're two completely different ideas.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 [quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism#Vaccines]The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence of a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism.[51] Despite this, many parents believe that vaccinations cause autism and therefore delay or avoid immunizing their children under the "vaccine overload" hypothesis that giving many vaccines at once may overwhelm a child's immune system and lead to autism,[52] even though this hypothesis has no scientific evidence and is biologically implausible.[53] As diseases like measles can cause severe disabilities and death, the risk of a child's death or disability due to not vaccinating a child is significantly larger than any minuscule risks due to vaccinating.[54][/url][/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind No, it's not. Do some research. It hundreds of times more effective than the vaccine.[/quote] That's weird because I can't find any scientific articles about either of those two things being able to fight the polio virus...[/quote]Look harder, then.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RockdaleRooster So what your saying is: the people who make the vaccines that keep people from getting sick benefit the people who make money off people getting sick?[/quote] I'm saying that vaccines don't help us fight sickness. They provide a temporary immunity that weakens us in the long run and keeps us dependent on the pharmaceutical companies.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oaklandp8ntbalr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkSunnyboy1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] teh Chaz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind we need to use safe, natural remedies to fight infections [i]with[/i] our immune systems.[/quote] OP confirmed for not knowing how vaccinations or the immune system actually work.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind *snip*[/quote] Homeopathy and Herbalism are the same are, they're both mostly placebo effect.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LiberatorOfMind A .gov site? Really? They're the ones who are [i]advocating[/i] for the vaccine, of course they would argue in favor of it![/quote]Hey, I'm the one posting reputable sources, not talking out of their ass. The study was originally posted in [url=http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8306.2005.00460.x]the Annals of the Association of American Geographers[/url]. Amazing what Google Scholar can tell you.
