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11/8/2012 12:57:43 AM
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So... Is It Okay to Talk About Now?
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/marijuana-laws-eased-in-colorado-and-washington.html?_r=0]Because if you live in Colorado, it's not illegal.[/url]
Only reason I ask, is due to people I know who were banned by moderators for mentioning it. Don't be brash and rush in saying no. Have an open mind. Are we allowed to discuss the subject matters on the forums as regular conversation pieces now?
If this works well in Colorado, I see it spreading nationally. Just like with the end of the prohibition and raise in the drinking age. Reasons become justified later in time and the world changes. Embrace it rather than living in fear of it all.
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[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75713874&postRepeater1-p=1]Well...[/url]
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I'm a firm believer in presentation of how you want to express your thoughts is a great way to take somebody seriously, or not... I'm hoping my sentences aren't comparable to his in any sense, from your perspective.
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In reference to DeeJ's post, it's not political at all. You know what else is regulated by the government? Alcohol. But that doesn't make alcohol inherently political. Additionally, if discussed within the context of Colorado, there's no reason it should be locked (like it was in The Flood last night).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NorbergK6 Are we allowed to discuss the subject matters on the forums as regular conversation pieces now? [/quote]No.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 Additionally, if discussed within the context of Colorado, there's no reason it should be locked (like it was in The Flood last night).[/quote]It's still illegal in Colorado, and all of the other states and districts in the U.S. under federal law. The fact is, this is not about rule interpretation; it's about whether Bungie wants this kind of discussion occurring on its public forums and official website. And so, until we hear otherwise from Bungie, marijuana discussion is still prohibited in the public forums.
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Are we using our best judgment here? You can tell me that talking about weed because it was legalized in your back yard is totally appropriate. I would suggest that discussing a referendum that was passed in a handful of states the day after a hotly debated and bitterly contested election is walking right up to the boundary of acceptable chatter and poking the hungry bear that guards it. Nerves are raw this morning. I would suggest that we are a better community if we respect the uniqueness our own culture. Bungie.net is a magical place where people from all walks of life come together to discuss their passion for video games - and other tertiary topics that don't make people sad. Games are that wonderful thing that we have in common. Remember that the Bungie Community is a global entity. While it may seem like the events in your state are big news to everyone, it only seems that way. In Holland, they are laughing at us, but this is not the forum for such musings. I hate locking threads. These forums exist for the exchange of ideas. They didn't bring me on board to stifle that. What I would ask is that we aspire to a conversation (especially on this board) that is more worthy of our attention than most of the upsetting arguments that have ruined my Facebook experience. There are places to discuss what you are referencing. Need this be one of them? [Edited on 11.07.2012 5:50 PM PST]
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[b]Edit:[/b] As a Bungie.net member, I would find the talk of Marijuana on this site very offensive and actually less appealing to me to come back to. Keep in mind this site is 13yr olds and up. I'm sure we don't need angry parents getting mad at Bungie for such talk. [Edited on 11.07.2012 5:57 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ [/quote]Not even in the context of "Should [drug] be legalized?" Of course, if it gets turned into "Yo isn't it fun to smoke/snort/inject/huff [drug]?!", it would get locked. But if you made a thread about racial stereotypes (E.G. Asians being bad drivers, White people not being able to jump, etc.) and it turned into "god, I really hate [race], don' you guys?" it would get locked too and yet discussing racial stereotypes is allowed. All I'm saying is that discussions about whether or not you think something should be allowed and why should be allowed, IMO; but the line should be drawn at discussions of the joys of recreational use and anecdotes thereof. To be clear: I understand the point of view of both yourself and Bungie's Web Team. I'm just proposing a question and stating an opinion. © [Edited on 11.07.2012 6:03 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ I hate locking threads. These forums exist for the exchange of ideas. They didn't bring me on board to stifle that. What I would ask is that we aspire to a conversation (especially on this board) that is more worthy of our attention than most of the upsetting arguments that have ruined my Facebook experience. There are places to discuss what you are referencing. Need this be one of them?[/quote] Who decides what's worthy of our attention? Clearly, this is where our attention is going. Doesn't that make it worthy? Why can't we discuss issues like drug legalization while respecting the uniqueness of our culture? Conversations about games are just as easily turned into anger fueled turd flinging events as conversations about pot legalization. And people get very sad. Saying otherwise is just turd polishing worthy of a PR guy... oh. [Edited on 11.07.2012 6:10 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ the upsetting arguments that have ruined my Facebook experience.[/quote]Just about right here.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeeJ I hate locking threads. These forums exist for the exchange of ideas. They didn't bring me on board to stifle that. What I would ask is that we aspire to a conversation (especially on this board) that is more worthy of our attention than most of the upsetting arguments that have ruined my Facebook experience. There are places to discuss what you are referencing. Need this be one of them?[/quote]Does that mean you hate locking the mailsack?
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Why does anyone [i]seriously[/i] care enough to discuss it on Bungie.net, or better yet the mains? There are so many other, more appropriate, outlets to talk about marijuana: 4chan, reddit, facebook, but Bungie.net - really? I can only envision every thread pertaining to the topic as absolutely worthless considering you'd (the thread creator) be talking about it with the cohorts of The Flood in which the demographic likely consists of underage persons who probably don't know what they're talking about regardless. Though Bungie.net *condems* discussing it site-wide, I see no reason why it should be discussed outside of private groups.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 Who decides what's worthy of our attention?[/quote]Obviously our hosts do. I'm sure Bungie respects everyone's opinion on the matter. All they ask is to have the discussion somewhere else. [Edited on 11.07.2012 6:33 PM PST]
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Why not go to a website dedicated to this?
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Ah, see. But that is not what I am trying to shine light upon. Hear me out, I don't want to strictly make a thread upon that particular subject. But I do however would like to have the privilege to mention it in a thread without consequence, as if it were just a natural part of the sentence. Not going out of my way to include it, but I make mention as if it were just normal conversation. When the entire thing is to be placed into taboo and feared, it's kind of silly. Most reactions have worse over-reactions from an alternative source. It's silly to have words people say, especially when they're not even targeted at you, irritate you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [b]But if you made a thread about racial stereotypes (E.G. Asians being bad drivers, White people not being able to jump, etc.)[/b] and it turned into "god, I really hate [race], don' you guys?" it would get locked too and yet discussing racial stereotypes is allowed. [/quote] Depending on the original post of that thread, it may get locked anyway. [quote]Harassing, defaming, or antagonizing people.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] True Underdog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [b]But if you made a thread about racial stereotypes (E.G. Asians being bad drivers, White people not being able to jump, etc.)[/b] and it turned into "god, I really hate [race], don' you guys?" it would get locked too and yet discussing racial stereotypes is allowed. [/quote] Depending on the original post of that thread, it may get locked anyway. [quote]Harassing, defaming, or antagonizing people.[/quote][/quote]Point being there's plenty of topics that can easily stray from fine to not so much and that isn't a good reason to outlaw a topic, even if my example was a bit shoddy. © [Edited on 11.07.2012 7:08 PM PST]
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I don't see the purpose of talking about it here. Ever. Legal or not. Okay, I'll pull out this card: This a video game website, not a video game and weed website. Bungie is in the business of making video games. I don't see anywhere, any information about Bungie and agricultural endeavors. I make guitars for a living. I don't let people talk about marijuana or controlled substances on my web page. Why? Well, I am in the business of making guitars. I have a lot of viewers who are there just for the guitars I make. Many would be turned away if I allowed that subject matter. They don't want to see it. They want guitars and only guitars. Same here. People want video games. Scenario: A father hears his kids talking about the latest Bungie game. He wants to check it out via this website. All he sees is talk about weed mixed in with info about the video game. Or alcohol for that matter. He probably would not bother with the game if he had a difficult time "weeding" through all the drug talk. It's not professional. How inebriated you got while playing a video game is none of my business here. What my business is here is the product. A video game. Then I want to talk about that video game and its dynamics. That or how it impacts the community. Legal or not, this is not the place. There are forums for this subject matter, just not here. ~Delta [Edited on 11.07.2012 7:26 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Delta 15t I don't see the purpose of talking about it here. Ever. Legal or not. Okay, I'll pull out this card: This a video game website, not a video game and weed website. Bungie is in the business of making video games. I don't see anywhere, any information about Bungie and agricultural endeavors. I make guitars for a living. I don't let people talk about marijuana or controlled substances on my web page. Why? Well, I am in the business of making guitars. I have a lot of viewers who are there just for the guitars I make. Many would be turned away if I allowed that subject matter. They don't want to see it. They want guitars and only guitars. Same here. People want video games. Scenario: A father hears his kids talking about the latest Bungie game. He wants to check it out via this website. All he sees is talk about weed mixed in with info about the video game. Or alcohol for that matter. He probably would not bother with the game if he had a difficult time "weeding" through all the drug talk. It's not professional. How inebriated you got while playing a video game is none of my business here. What my business is here is the product. A video game. Then I want to talk about that video game and its dynamics. That or how it impacts the community. Legal or not, this is not the place. There are forums for this subject matter, just not here. ~Delta [/quote] What a completely ridiculous argument. The Flood is the "off-topic" forum for a reason. Right now, there are topics about vacations, skydiving, and physicists on the front page. This isn't a video game and skydiving website, should we make talking about that against the rules too? Why is your hypothetical father reading the game site's off topic forum for information about a game? Why not the game information page? Even if my points doesn't matter, your argument still makes no sense.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NorbergK6 I'm a firm believer in presentation of how you want to express your thoughts is a great way to take somebody seriously, or not... I'm hoping my sentences aren't comparable to his in any sense, from your perspective.[/quote]Not at all, I just know that several Ninjas had already weighed in his less eloquent thread and that you might find your answer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Delta 15t [/quote]Oh look! It's one of the "OMG bungie isn't making games so there is nothing to discuss here AT ALL" members. There's a forum called The Flood. It seems that despite your account age, you are not familiar with it. [url=http://www.bungie.net/forums/topics.aspx?forumID=10]I'll even link it for you[/url]. Try it out! :)
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I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gioger I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.[/quote]Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gioger I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.[/quote]Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?[/quote]Well, there are some people who, for whatever reason, think Drugs and Alcohol = The Devil himself. I could start a topic on how the economy could benefit marijuana, and a couple things could happen. 1.) Person A doesn't agree with OP, person B does, B starts fight with A, Person C-Z sides with either A or B, flame war ensues. or, on the extremely rare occasion, 2.) Everybody agrees with OP, the world is at peace.
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Guys dis is a game developer forum. No moar girl threads. © [Edited on 11.07.2012 8:43 PM PST]
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I'll never understand why people want so badly to talk about illegal substances on the internet. Why is it such a big deal that we need threads arguing for it frequently? Anyway, Bungie says no. This is Bungie's website. As the guest here, we should do the polite thing and respect their rules. Besides, it's stil illegal in most states, and as Foman said is ilegal under federal law.
