[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NAKED N00B 14 It is possible to know what isn't something without knowing what that thing is. I don't know how a nuclear reactor works, but I can tell you it isn't a cow's digestive system. Obviously we all have our different ideas of a perfect society. It is subjective. All politics are is a way to associate yourself with people who have the most similar ways of thinking and achieving a perfect society. Personally, I don't think my idea of a perfect society is attainable because I believe humans are naturally flawed. My idea of a perfect world is one where these imperfections' influence was minimized. And as president of the world, I will push this on everyone.[/quote] But you know enough about nuclear reactors and cows to tell the difference. If perfection doesn't exist, you can't claim to know what it is. Abstract ideas are different from actual things. The problem with politics is that you can't predict human behavior. Until a mathematics of human behavior is developed, you'll never be able to create a 'perfect' society, you can't even understand what one would look like. **Just to clarify, I'm point out that you are attributing a qualitative judgment to humanity that is otherwise not present. You can't assume that your interpretation of humans is such that we are missing something that would otherwise make us perfect. We are neither perfect nor not perfect. Rather we just are. That being said you cannot organize us until you can predict our behavior perfectly which will allow you to draw qualitative or normative judgments from our daily activities. That's where social science breaks down. [Edited on 10.12.2009 12:43 PM PDT]