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6/7/2010 3:07:28 AM
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Halo Reach FAILS September 14, 2010
If a game is made for players whom are 17+, why does Reach feel like it was designed for 10 year olds with ADD?
Honestly, anyone can pick up this game and do reasonably well. It seems as Bungie is catering to a much younger audience that doesn't have the attention span to learn to play a game well. From in-game randomness such as bloom, over-powered grenades, armor abilities, ect., Halo Reach is simply dumbed down.
Bungie, you may as well slap an E rating on this one, because your average fifth grader who just picked up the game can compete with dedicated players.
Let's take me for an example:
I was able to get on the early release of the beta (Lol), but I was only able to put a reasonable amount of time into the game on Friday (1 day after the beta was released). Luckily, I searched with some extremely talented Halo 3 players whom had spent all day and night playing. Early on while searching, we matched Halo 3 professionals, Enable and Flamesword.
In Halo 3, they could have absolutely handed my ass to me. In Reach however, even though they had more than double my playtime, I only went -5, and -4. Honestly, if Reach wasn't catered to 10 year olds with ADD, I would have gone double digit negative. They should have wiped the floor with me, but we tied them once, and only lost by a small margin in the second game.
Halo has always been an 18+ game. Sure there are groups like Bungle trying to dumb down the game to the point that a retarded chimp could have an orgasm playing it, but default gameplay is simply too basic.
With the skill gap nearly gone, I don't know where to turn. I'm sure I'll get some trolling replies along the lines of "Don't buy it, you won't be missed," but if Reach stays this dumbed down I don't know if I'll purchase it. Default gameplay shouldn't be this basic, and hopefully Bungie will at least allow MLG a way to fix this currently broken game.
Bungie, we don't want a game made for the 10 year olds with ADD, this is Halo. They have CoD. I understand this is a business, but simply put, you're ruining your integrity as a gaming developer. I feel like Reach will be a game that nobody will play more than a year, simply because of how basic the gameplay is. And those people that you're catering to, they bought Halo 3. Then, when the next shiny new title came out, they bought that too. I'm sure Reach will break every sales record evar, but that doesn't make it a good game.
I can't imagine what this is like for the players who have been around since CE. I played a little Halo 2, and spent way too many hours on Halo 3, but this series is getting continually dumbed down.
Regardless, in the slim chance an employee stops what they are doing to read this, good luck with your future projects.
Thanks for your time.
Edit 1: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=59366&player=Cosssta]Game Used as Evidence in OP[/url]
[url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=59979&player=Cosssta]Game 2[/url]
[Edited on 06.06.2010 7:50 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M1STA WU1FY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.[/quote]
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*sigh* Have fun playing Halo 3 for the next 3 years then.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser You really think if you're good at one game, that makes you good at all games? I think you're the one lying to yourself. Each game requires a different pallet of skills and different strategies. Maybe those players were good at MW2 because they took the time to master it. Their skill at Halo must have given them a heads up, but that isn't enough to cut it. You can be good at one game and be trash at another, especially if you just played that game for the first time. Take my friend Moe for example. He always beats me in Gears of War, but when he tried to verse me in Halo, I killed him 20 times in a row until I finally allowed him to kill me by "accidentally" firing my AR completely inaccurately. Your skills at one game don't make you a master at another. [/quote] That's because Gears of War is radically different from halo. Halo pros are so good at halo compared to everyone else that they should have absolutely destroyed him but that wasn't the case.[/quote] They don't know the maps, the don't know how to manage reticle bloom, they don't know how to use AAs effectively, they don't know how to use the weapons effectively. The only skill that directly transfered over is the ability to keep the crosshair centered on the enemy. Everything else is very different and must be learned. Besides, Divide won the vast majority of his games in Halo Reach, yet he says he has no advantage over new players because the game takes no skill. He obviously knows it takes skill because he is using that skill to win 75% of his games. If the game truly took no skill, wouldn't he win like 50%?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.[/quote] If it was Halo 2 or 3, he'd have won 100%. Learn to math.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense If a game is made for players whom are 17+, why does Reach feel like it was designed for 10 year olds with ADD? In Halo 3, they could have absolutely handed my ass to me. In Reach however, even though they had more than double my playtime, I only went -5, and -4. Honestly, if Reach wasn't catered to 10 year olds with ADD, I would have gone double digit negative. They should have wiped the floor with me, but we tied them once, and only lost by a small margin in the second game. Halo has always been an 18+ game. Sure there are groups like Bungle trying to dumb down the game to the point that a retarded chimp could have an orgasm playing it, but default gameplay is simply too basic. With the skill gap nearly gone, I don't know where to turn. I'm sure I'll get some trolling replies along the lines of "Don't buy it, you won't be missed," but if Reach stays this dumbed down I don't know if I'll purchase it. Default gameplay shouldn't be this basic, and hopefully Bungie will at least allow MLG a way to fix this currently broken game. Bungie, we don't want a game made for the 10 year olds with ADD, this is Halo. They have CoD. I understand this is a business, but simply put, you're ruining your integrity as a gaming developer. I feel like Reach will be a game that nobody will play more than a year, simply because of how basic the gameplay is. And those people that you're catering to, they bought Halo 3. Then, when the next shiny new title came out, they bought that too. I'm sure Reach will break every sales record evar, but that doesn't make it a good game. I can't imagine what this is like for the players who have been around since CE. I played a little Halo 2, and spent way too many hours on Halo 3, but this series is getting continually dumbed down. Regardless, in the slim chance an employee stops what they are doing to read this, good luck with your future projects. Thanks for your time. [/quote] ^douche
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Lmao! You won 75% of your games in Reach, and you say it takes no skill. If it took no skill, then your uber Halo 3 skillz would not matter and you would only win half of your games, but guess what? You won the vast majority of them proving that you have an advantage over bad players.... Honestly, you argue that good players have no advantage over bad players while defeating bad players every time. You are using knowingly incorrect arguments.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser You really think if you're good at one game, that makes you good at all games? I think you're the one lying to yourself. Each game requires a different pallet of skills and different strategies. Maybe those players were good at MW2 because they took the time to master it. Their skill at Halo must have given them a heads up, but that isn't enough to cut it. You can be good at one game and be trash at another, especially if you just played that game for the first time. Take my friend Moe for example. He always beats me in Gears of War, but when he tried to verse me in Halo, I killed him 20 times in a row until I finally allowed him to kill me by "accidentally" firing my AR completely inaccurately. Your skills at one game don't make you a master at another. [/quote] That's because Gears of War is radically different from halo. Halo pros are so good at halo compared to everyone else that they should have absolutely destroyed him but that wasn't the case.
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I concur, OP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser Oh and your example about those Halo 3 pros barely beating you is laughably irrelevant. That's like saying "Joe is amazing at the guitar, but even I beat him at rock band. Rock Band takes no skill!" [/quote] Ya...rock band does take less skill than playing a guitar. Way to argue against yourself.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A random loser You really think if you're good at one game, that makes you good at all games? I think you're the one lying to yourself. Each game requires a different pallet of skills and different strategies. Maybe those players were good at MW2 because they took the time to master it. Their skill at Halo must have given them a heads up, but that isn't enough to cut it. You can be good at one game and be trash at another, especially if you just played that game for the first time. Take my friend Moe for example. He always beats me in Gears of War, but when he tried to verse me in Halo, I killed him 20 times in a row until I finally allowed him to kill me by "accidentally" firing my AR completely inaccurately. Your skills at one game don't make you a master at another. [/quote] This man speaks the truth. Just because you're better at someone in one game, you won't always kick their ass in another. I know a guy who spends all his time playing TF2 and can hand my ass to me on a gold plated platter then beat me to death with it when I try to go against him, but we're on even footing in every other shooter and I can kick his ass in some (namely Sauerbraten.)
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So you are saying they are making it more basic by adding extra things such as bloom and armor abilities?.... WHAT?! THAT MEANS IT'S MORE COMPLICATED! And how on Earth does it cater for 5th graders, I read your passage and it's not getting to me....
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are you kidding? it is far more complicated to play than halo 3. in halo 3 all you needed to do is learn to shoot, melee and grenade. in reach you need to do all that, learn to manage bloom and learn to handle all the different AAs. it is much harder to get the hang of, and there are more things to master your match against the pros, the reason they did bad is because it was the beginning of the beta, when they didnt know the map layout, weapon spawns, weapon dynamics and armour abilities figured out. they are good players because they know everything like that about halo 3, and how to use them to their advantage. even the best player isnt going to do amazingly if the noobs know where the power weapons are
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Firelord365 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 Uhhh... OP, from your own description it sounds like you lost to the players who were better than you. Just because you didn't get royally butt ****ed doesn't mean the game is broken. [/quote] I should have been -blam!- sideways with a lunch box, but I wasn't. That's the problem, the game is dumbed down. [/quote] Reach is a new game. We all started on the same playing field. It was new to everyone. [/quote] If you honestly think that, you're lying to yourself. I'm playing [i]contracted[/i] pros. Don't you think if they pick up a new game, they're going to be awesome. Take Modern Warfare 2 for an example. A group of Halo 3 pros made a team and was like top 20 on the gb ladder. Snipedown was on the top team as an alternate. They should have raped me, they put more time into the game, and are naturally better at videogames than me.[/quote] You really think if you're good at one game, that makes you good at all games? I think you're the one lying to yourself. Each game requires a different pallet of skills and different strategies. Maybe those players were good at MW2 because they took the time to master it. Their skill at Halo must have given them a heads up, but that isn't enough to cut it. You can be good at one game and be trash at another, especially if you just played that game for the first time. Take my friend Moe for example. He always beats me in Gears of War, but when he tried to verse me in Halo, I killed him 20 times in a row until I finally allowed him to kill me by "accidentally" firing my AR completely inaccurately. Your skills at one game don't make you a master at another. [Edited on 06.07.2010 12:14 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blyx OP... anyone can pick up the game and be decent at it... yes... BUT... that doesn't mean people who play it MORE won't be able to destroy beginners... You just suck apparently.[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/CareerStats.aspx?player=Chief03&player2=Cosssta]You're not in a position[/url] to say anything about skill.[/quote] It's funny because that's such a dumb statement with so many flaws! I bet you do experiments without a control subject too! [Edited on 06.07.2010 12:04 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeftestAdam366 Heres a question, did you like the Beta at first?[/quote] I lied to myself for the first few hours and pretended I loved it. After 3 days of playing, I was sick of it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blyx OP... anyone can pick up the game and be decent at it... yes... BUT... that doesn't mean people who play it MORE won't be able to destroy beginners... You just suck apparently.[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/CareerStats.aspx?player=Chief03&player2=Cosssta]You're not in a position[/url] to say anything about skill.[/quote] Yes I do. You're basing this off of Halo 3... Other than the fact that Halo 3 bored the -blam!- out of me, that doesn't change the fact that you still sound like a complete idiot. I stand still stand uncorrected. In a game such as Halo people can pick up and play fairly easily, that much is true. BUT... the more experienced player will win more often than none. Just like every other game out there. (including halo 3)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense By making the game more complicated ... they are simplifying the game...[/quote] ... Even with context, I don't think that statement makes sense. Plus I take offense. I have ADHD, buddy, what did I ever do to you that you would suggest I need my games to be simplified?
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I like how you complain about things that you either don't understand or things that have been fixed. Also, those "pros" were probably trying to acclimate to Reach at that point, meaning they weren't as good as they could be.
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Oh and your example about those Halo 3 pros barely beating you is laughably irrelevant. That's like saying "Joe is amazing at the guitar, but even I beat him at rock band. Rock Band takes no skill!" Obviously your Halo 3 skills don't just transfer over to Halo Reach. There are new skills to be learned and those "pros" have as much experience as you do at Reach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense By making the game more complicated and requiring more patience, they are simplifying the game to cater to kids with ADHD.[/quote]
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I can still see a massive difference between the pros and nubs. Strafing, jumping, aiming, strategy, tactics....the list is endless as to how many factors there are contributing to your "skill" level. If I were to say so as well, those "pros" you played have probably played A LOT more Halo 3 than Reach. I bet you that 3 months after the Reach release, you will once again get smashed by them. Otherwise, you just underestimate yourself. I mean, have you played these guys in Halo 3 before? If not, how can you possibly make such a comparison? Youtube? Pathetic.
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this, children, is what we call a TROLL. look in the forum rules, and the other 259 of you should realise you weren't supposed to feed it.
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[url=http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3961485]OBJECTION![/url]
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OP is mad because he didn't get pwned more? Oy...The many things I don't understand about the B.Net forums.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Defense Honestly, anyone can pick up this game and do reasonably well. [/quote] Sounds like they did what they said they were going to do
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz I read the first line. Halo is designed to be played by EVERYONE. The ESRB decides after the game is complete who they think should be allowed to buy it.[/quote] hes right ESRB does the ratings not the developer if it was that way then we would be able to play the first version of manhunt 2 which originally was rated AO by ESRB cause of the insane amounts of violence until rockstar games remade it more "playable"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xParanoiaa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HIGGINZOB [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HIGGINZOB [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xParanoiaa I could beat you in a 1v1 easily.[/quote] Cool bro.[/quote]What. You didn't flip out at all...lol jk I suck.[/quote] Nah, I could detect the sarcasm.[/quote]I wish I could. You won't believe how many awkward situations I get into on the internet. Just kidding of course. [Edited on 06.06.2010 11:07 PM PDT]
