[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh A: 1) They weren't Sentinels. They were warriors and their warrior craft.[/quote] Prove. It. Jesus. Christ. If they can do that, Sentinels shouldn't even exist. [quote] 2) Frank O'Connor himself says in the commentary for Legends to take Origins with an epic grain of salt since Cortana barely was sane let alone knew what the Forerunners looked like or their weapons. [/quote] Except we know they used weapons definitely not even in the kiloton or gigajoule range. [quote] 3) How the -blam!- do you expect him to post pictures from a book? [/quote] He said that's what it looked like after the bombardment. WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE AFTER THE BOMBARDMENT? Jesus, boy, you're slow. [quote] Besides, 343 is in control of Halo now. Whatever they say goes. Halo: Cryptum is what they say. [/quote] Irrelevant. Canon is games > novels. Halo 1 openly states that Master Chief's armor is level 2, and that he should upgrade to level 12. Him being on any level on that scale is an automatic debunking of petaton suits. [quote] A: Again, 343I now dictates canon, not what Bungie stated. [/quote] Irrelevant. Games > novels. [quote] A: Again, once more, Origins is to be taken extremely crarefully. And do yu honestly think we saw ALL of their weapon capabilities? If so you're an idiot.[/quote] Do you honestly think Forerunners should have trouble with the Flood if their armor is sealed against petaton explosions? If so, you're the idiot. [quote] And the Flood WOULD have been a problem since they--by nature--take control of the weapons of their enemies. Whatever power the enemies have the Flood has. [/quote] Except the Flood managed to get ahold of these weapons in the first place. Wouldn't happen with what you're calling everything. [quote] A: They are called War Sphinxes. [/quote] ... I want quotes, not claims that you prats never seem to back up. [quote] A: Context being WHY the Forerunners did what they did?[/quote] NO, WHAT THEY USED IN THAT ENGAGEMENT AND THE DETAILS OF THE PLANET. Holy. -blam!-. -blam!-. [quote] Easy. The Prophets pissed them off. They took up arms against the Forerunners in rebellion. The Forerunners proceeded to rip the planet's crust off and turn the planet inside out (almost literally). It even says they "met opposition with quick and decisive brutality" in the back of the book.[/quote] Funny that their supposed homeworld is still habitable, am I right? Do you actually understand [i]anything[/i]? [quote] A: does that make it any less true? Bornstellar describes the Prophet homeworld's atmosphere as being made entirely by ash and broiling hot fire, sometimes a hurricane of flames. Your "5up3r 1337 5ci3n7ific" evidence doesn't prove anything. The Forerunners can do it and survive it.[/quote] What? Boiling away the atmosphere requires 77 petatons, but melting the crust of the planet requires several exatons. If the crust was destroyed, the atmosphere would be long gone. Again, you're bull-blam!- about things you have no understanding of, and you know it. [quote] A: Because they're needed? We didn't know the energy output of, say, the Covenant's energy projector, but someone calculated it to be about 20 kilotons per second.[/quote] Except this is quite clearly not accurate. The games show them and MACs in the sub-kiloton (are you going to reply to me in the other thread yet about this?) [quote] But in this case, we don't need the analysis. The facts are there.[/quote] Want to know how that number was received? By analysis. [quote] A: Again, DOES THAT MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE??? In fact, thank you for pointing that out. We now knoe the Forerunner combat skins are even more badass then originall thought.[/quote] Thank YOU for pointing out you haven't even gone to high school and literally know nothing about basic physics. [quote] And so what if they can walk on lava? The Space Marine crashed into a friggin' STAR and survived, but we're not saying it isn't possible. Because its FICTION. [/quote] Except that's not the same, at all. A star like the sun generates 90 PT/s, and has a radius of 695,500 kilometers. This gets us an energy density of 62 megawatts per cubic meter. Assuming that a Space Marine's power armor has an area of 3 cubic meters, he would receive 186 megajoules each second while in that star. It might receive a fair amount of damage, but if it's only in and near the star for a brief moment, it can in fact survive. Very different from tanking a petaton explosion. [quote] A: Halo doesn't use real physics when you get into the ancient times. For contemporary Halo, yeah it does. But everything befor that is to advanced to be possible.[/quote] No, it doesn't work like that. Destroying a crust is not possible with ground infantry unless there is notable physics -blam!- occurring. [quote] A: Firstly, the games NEVER give ANY description on Forerunner armor, merely a rating system. And again, does the fact that Forerunners could crack crusts but have nothing to walk on make it any less of a fact? We don't know exactley how the Forerunner's armor works other then that it makes you nearly immortal and the Didact's armor could shoot Iron Man esque lasers from his palms. Who knows, maybe they can fly.[/quote] ... Which. You. Haven't. Any. Proof. Of. [quote] A: Pray tell, when does Halo 1 give any description of Forerunner armor capabilities?[/quote] It gives Master Chief's armor a rating of 2 (oh, armor that can't survive a few gigajoules is on a scale with armor that can survive a few exatons, no sweat), and Forerunner armor a rating of 12. Also, if Flood can puncture those suits, then so would a petaton. [quote] A: Yeah, we did.[/quote] Claiming that those were forerunner ground forces for that one quote isn't proof. However, given your failure at basic reading comprehension - never mind you should go back to high school and figure out why you've made yourself look dumb - it should be no surprise that you would give me the same quote that I asked context for. [quote] A: No, they can beat the Xeelee because their technology cannot be destroyed.[/quote] Proof? [quote] It would at the very least result in a tie, but if mortal humans can fight them, a race of inivincible super-beings with impossible to conceive technology sure as hell can. [/quote] Haha, no. The Xeelee make use of construction material completely unharmed by anything other than magnetic monopoles and black holes. They flung galaxies as bullets during the Photino Bird/Xeelee war. They use omniscient machines that answer questions before they are even asked. They have handguns that destroy stars. They created the Ring that was made up from thousands of galaxies. They bioengineered themselves in the beginning of the universe via time travel so that they were always the rulers of the universe. They were also ahead of everyone else because they normally looked decades to centuries into the future. And if there was ever a problem for the Xeelee (only occurred with the Photino Birds), the Anti-Xeelee would come and fix it via time travel. The Xeelee humans, however, created things similar (given that they were using Xeelee technology), as well as ringworlds light years in diameter, and modified humans to being able of living in the cores of neutron stars. They weren't even considered a threat to the Xeelee, who just closed their stars in Xeelee construction material. The Xeelee placed Earth in a small cube several meters in diameters on the outside, but light years on the inside. Then, later, a single Xeelee Nightfighter (that are all over the universe in uncountable numbers) recreated Earth to its original state in one week. The Precursors are nowhere even a minor threat to the Xeelee. But, let's not derail this horribly off track thread any more. [quote] We have. [/quote] Actually, you haven't yet. [Edited on 01.29.2011 7:16 PM PST]