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Science May Soon be Over.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-end-of-physics-as-we-know-it-2016-1 In this article, Harry Cliff, a scientist from CERN, explains how in 2-3 years, we may not be able to learn anything else about our universe. This is because findings from scientists show things happening in the universe that directly contradict the theory of general relativity and the theory of quantum mechanics. What are these findings? They're the Higgs Field, and dark energy. The Higgs Field was discovered back in 2012 and is a field of energy that is used to charge particles, turning them into protons, neutrons and electrons. There's just one problem. [quote]According to Einstein's theory of general relativity and the theory of quantum mechanics — the two theories in physics that drive our understanding of the cosmos on incredibly large and extremely small scales — the Higgs field should be performing one of two tasks, says Cliff. Either it should be turned off, meaning it would have a strength value of zero and wouldn't be working to give particles mass, or it should be turned on, and, as the theory goes, this "on value" is "absolutely enormous," Cliff says. But neither of those two scenarios are what physicists observe. "In reality, the Higgs field is just slightly on," says Cliff. "It's not zero, but it's ten-thousand-trillion times weaker than it's fully on value — a bit like a light switch that got stuck just before the 'off' position. And this value is crucial. If it were a tiny bit different, then there would be no physical structure in the universe."[/quote] And there's the first problem. These theories that have proved again and again to always be right, are now wrong. They say the Higgs Field should either be all the way on, or all the way off, but in reality, it's only slightly on, which is good because we can survive those levels, but bad because now we've got a blatant contradiction between theories that have been right about everything until now, and an energy field that is all but 100% proven due to CERN discovering a particle that could only be created if that field was present. Next up we have dark energy. Dark energy is something so complex, so mysterious, and so hard to figure out that even the greatest minds of this generation have trouble with it, but the best (and most likely) theory right now is that it's the energy of nothing; the empty black space in the universe. Think of it as the universe's largest vacuum. It's so astonishingly powerful, in fact, that since it was discovered in 1996 as the reason the universe is expanding, scientists have only recently discovered what it's power is. Or, as you're about to see, what it [i]should[/i] be. [quote]"Dark energy should be 10 to the 120th power* times stronger than the value we observe from astronomy," Cliff said. "This is a number so mind-bogglingly huge that it's impossible to get your head around ... this number is bigger than any number in astronomy — it's a thousand-trillion-trillion-trillion times bigger than the number of atoms in the universe. That's a pretty bad prediction." On the bright side, we're lucky that dark energy is smaller than theorists predict. If it followed our theoretical models, then the repulsive force of dark energy would be so huge that it would literally rip our universe apart. The fundamental forces that bind atoms together would be powerless against it and nothing could ever form — galaxies, stars, planets, and life as we know it would not exist. On the other hand, it's extremely frustrating that we can't use our current theories of the universe to develop a better measurement of dark energy that agrees with existing observations. Even better than improving our theories would be to find a way that we can understand why the strength of dark energy and the Higgs field is what it is.[/quote] So the strength of both the Higgs Field and dark energy combine to make one of, if not the biggest scientific mystery in history. And right now, scientists have absolutely nothing that gives a reason as to why this is. Except, there is one idea that could make this whole thing make perfect sense. Problem is, it's one of the most complex, impossible, and downright insane ideas to ever exist. [quote]If we could somehow confirm that our universe is just one in a vast multiverse of billions of other universes, then "suddenly we can understand the weirdly fine-tuned values of these two dangerous numbers• [because] in most of the multiverse dark energy is so strong that the universe gets torn apart, or the Higgs field is so weak that no atoms can form," Cliff said. To prove this, physicists need to discover new particles that would uphold radical theories like string theory, which predicts the existence of a multiverse. Right now, there's only one place in the world that could possibly produce these particles, if they exist, and that's the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. And physicists only have two to three years before CERN shuts the LHC down for upgrades. If we haven't found anything by then, Cliff said, it could signal the beginning of the end.[/quote] The multiverse theory. Something that has always been in the realm of science fiction and radical theories. Now, the multiverse theory (specifically string theory) is the only thing scientists can think of that can explain this mystery. The issue is that the multiverse theory has always been one of the most radical scientific theories to come out of the modern age. The only way scientists could prove this theory, and in turn, explain the paradox is by using the Large Hadron Collider at CERN to discover new particles that would support the theory. But like it says, the collider is set to be shut down for upgrades in 2-3 years. That means that the guys and girls at CERN have 2-3 years to prove the existence of the multiverse. The article ends with this haunting thought from Cliff. [quote]"We may be entering a new era in physics. An era where there are weird features in the universe that we cannot explain. An era where we have hints that we live in a multiverse that lies frustratingly beyond our reach. An era where we will never be able to answer the question why is there something rather than nothing."[/quote] We're getting to the point where we may not be able to learn anything else, where we have to just accept that there are gaps in our logic, because we have no way of filling those gaps. We may soon reach a point where we can't discover anything more, not because we don't want to, but because we [i]can't[/i]. And that is a scary thought. I highly recommend you read the original article I linked, as it goes into a much deeper explanation than I did. [spoiler]Tl;dr: We may be at a point where we're gonna run out of ways to explain and discover science. Either that or we prove that there are alternate dimensions.[/spoiler] *Changed it to 20 and the 120th power because b.net does not let you write it the regular way. •"two dangerous numbers" refers to the strength of the Higgs Field and dark energy.

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  • I refuse to believe that there is an absolute limit on knowledge.

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    • Edited by Homo Habilis: 1/27/2016 9:10:31 PM
      Habilis old. 1.5 million years. Science finds truth, and if science good science, finds that some ideas not best. Does not mean no more science. Means science starts new chapter. Habilis saw world think sun center. Wrong. Habilis saw people think world young. Wrong. But every wrong made every right righter. Science powerful, not infallible. No worry Rolf. *chews manioc*

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      • Edited by Recon Number 54: 1/25/2016 9:09:03 PM
        But that is the thing about science. If and when the data/observations no longer support or validate current theorem, then the theorem is replaced/refined to incorporate the new data. The title of the article makes that point when it says "science as we know it". Science is and always has been a matter of "we KNEW this yesterday, today we learned that while we had what we thought was a good working model to explain things, it was incomplete or even completely wrong.... stay tuned as we continue to refine our understanding of the world/universe that we live in". Science is a process, not a statement.

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        • Ur dum

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        • When donald trump takes office and puts modern civilization into a fallout-esque land science won't matter. [spoiler]i guarantee that will happen if he takes office.[/spoiler]

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          • Edited by Shadowsneaker: 1/26/2016 8:33:51 AM
            First, you act like Einstein is the god of science. He was a person with theories that proved right countless times, but the theory is still a theory. Science is basically Atheism, where there is no entity of absolute power, theres just logic, which doesnt change, but our perception and idea does. All this does is show that we are learning a new branch of science. That branch is the mediums of the universe. Ive been contemplating this theory for a while, and ive determined that, while Einstein was right, he wasnt right about everything. There is this small area of in-between that he failed to understand (or didnt live long enough to publish, which is a legitimate possibility). Basically, what im theorizing, is that we have just scratched the surface of the mediums of the universe. These mediums are parts of the known universe that are governed by relative features in the area (something i believe Einstein was close to finding out) and the distortions of physics in some places results in skewed reactions. The physics of the area still exist, but the appearance suggests it is beyond normal limits. Its like a burner producing 100 degrees of heat being put into a freezer. It still produces 100 degrees but the data suggests it only produces 80 degrees. Its only a deception of our tools. This can be applied to the findings CERN made, where they found a skewed data result of the higgs field in a freezer (or in this case under the distortion of nearby planets and other gravitational anomalies). Not to mention that they did this underground in an environment that would trip up basic tools like a magnet. There is indeed more we need to understand about our universe, and it may be that our physics change due to atomic energy levels reaching lower and lower states by the 10^10000 year growth of the universe. When you think about it, if a gravitational anomaly created the universe, then shouldnt it ultimately revert back to its original peaceful state given enough stages? [spoiler]sorry for the essay, thanks for reading all the way through. Now you can call bullshit because your poor little brain couldnt comprehend this.[/spoiler]

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          • Is this warlock porn?

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          • Oh no, I guess people won't need chemistry and biology! Are diseases going to stop? Will people no longer need medicines and vaccines? Will we discover the other, what is it, 92% of our oceans? All in the next 3 years?

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          • Oh jeeze its trying to think

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          • Science is dead

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            • One does not simply end science

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            • You know whenever I see some stuff that stumps scientists, I like to think god is trolling them saying 'you guys think u know everything well here's this you idiots'. Scientists still can't figure out why zebras have stripes, switching from one theory to another.

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              • Why cant Math soon be over. I hate math

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                • [quote] What are these findings? They're the Higgs Field, and dark energy. The Higgs Field was discovered back in 2012 and is a field of energy that is used to charge particles, turning them into protons, neutrons and electrons. There's just one problem. [/quote] I love it when people claim to know Physics.. The Higgs Field is actually a field that couples to fermion and boson fields, which are fields which when quantised show the emergence of particles. The fields are described by a mathematical object called a lagrangian, however due to a property requiring that the lagrangian is the same in all reference frames the mass terms of the fields or 'particles' can't be included. What the coupling of the Higgs Field with the fermion and boson fields does is induces a mass-like term when the symmetry is broken. So yeah the Higgs Field induces masses to particles basically.. [quote]Please, please get your information right about Physics first before posting this crap[/quote]

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                  • [quote]...most insane, radical, impossible ideas....[/quote] Sounds oddly similar to what the church used to say during the Dark ages and medieval era don't you think?

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                    • If anything, this tells us that there is plenty of science left ahead.

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                      • Then we add dark flow (every object in the universe moving towards a cold spot in the CMBR) the best theory for another universe to date, and things just get more complicated.

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                      • It just means Einstein's theories are valid up to a point, and we need new theories to advance beyond that point. Newtonian physics had the same life cycle. It is really good at predicting everyday, common, commercial and household events. It breaks down in extreme scenarios. Is it wrong? Sort of ... It works really well for many uses, but is incomplete.

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                      • I seem to remember there are bigger super colliders being built. I'm sure one of them is in America. This would only be the end of the research at CERN as they will need to generate more energy for the collisions in future research and so will need bigger, better technology. Can anyone confirm this please?

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                          erm.... I think Harry Cliff been snorting too many gamma rays.

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                        • Science is for us to find out things and learn about things, it's not a belief system. You don't necessarily have to "agree" with science, but the things science has done for us makes people want to believe it.

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                        • [i] *puts on an antic disposition* [/i] Fortunately science has always been about redefining what we know about it. Always remember, the more radically the laws of physics are changed (as in our understanding of them) the closer we get to teleportation and time travel.

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                        • Lol science= as best we understand it atm! So with each discovery we find new ways to look @ the universe & old problems! Usually answering the question we were asking. However that generally leads to several more we as yet cannot explain! So whichever "scientist" said this doesn't really understand his own chosen field or @ least the meaning of science! ;)

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                        • Ahah! Glad I didn't take AP Physics. Suckers!

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