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Edited by Medicated Bias: 10/7/2015 11:10:47 PM
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MICRO-TRANSACTIONS- SLOW CANCER - END OF CRITICISM? (Luke Smith is a genius!)

If you think bungie is doing this for your benefit...think again. Naiveté + Denial + Addiction + Ignorance + Low standards + Corporatism Loyalty + lack of intelligence (basic economics concepts and corporate principles) + Lack of skepticism + lack of self inspection/evaluation = $$$ for bungievision Honestly...with the lack of content in year 1 for equivalent of 40$ (us) 70$+ (aus). Do you really think you are going to get better more quality/depth driven content with this Micro Transaction + Free Content bs? I know i'm starting to sound like alex jones but hear me out. If destiny had come out as a monthly paid subscription. The game would have died in the first 2 months. People would have cancelled their subscription when they realized how bungievision had straight up lied to them about this game. The false advertising was through the roof, I guess Aliens Marines gets trashed but when its bungie . . . So they pushed out TDB and HOW as expansions. Major backlash as it was evident that these DLC brought very little content for the asking price BECAUSE we could accurately [b]quantify[/b] and[b] compare[/b] content with price. This also allowed us to compare destiny dlc with other games such as borderlands and wow dlc. In which destiny fell well short in terms of delivering content. ( [i]Thats why most bungie fanboys live in [b]denial[/b] because our criticisms where backed up by objective facts and logical comparisons. All the fanboys could do attack with ad homonyms.[/i] ) The bungie devs understood this as every DLC saw massive amounts of player drop off. They knew that this method would not be viable especially when they want to peddle destiny 2 next year. So what they essentially have done is taken all of the pressure to provide meaningful dlc that can be [b]logically[/b] and[b] objectively[/b] be [b]criticized[/b] but instead provide [i]"free"[/i] content for next year. [b]Understand[/b] that Bungie has basically made it [b]impossible[/b] to [u][i]criticize[/i] [/u]the most glaring factor for their game...CONTENT/PRICE. This is unbelievably [i]genius[/i]. Bungie will look like benevolent, kind, giving and caring developer as they shower us with "free" content while the indoctrinated masses will of course fall for this hook line and sinker. The very nature of "free" content makes criticism of that "free" content practically impossible. It takes any amount of responsibility, accountability and rudimentary levels of quality and throws them into the trash. They basically made this game criticism proof ...incredibly ingenious (look up this word). I can see it now, any complaints about any future content will go like this: Malphisto: logically and rationally criticizes one of the "free" missions that bungie releases. Rabid-Fanboy: SHUT UP ITS FREE CONTENT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT STFU U DIDNT EVEN PAY YOU ENTITLED . . . Malphisto: but hey look at this compared to that. . . ModeratePlayer: Hey man I understand your point but this content is "FREE" before you had to pay . . . Bungie cares now bro, they are not ripping us of anymore. I'd rather have this "free" content (aka repetitive re-skin reused map re used assets missions) than paying 40$ . . . and it goes on. I guess Luke Smith really was telling the truth. Micro-Transactions is the[b] definition[/b] of throwing money at the screen for no conceivable worth in terms of actual content. Mind=Blown. Luke Smith tried to warn us, he really did. Little did we know he was the harbinger of truth. [i][/i] Destiny will turn into COD. Trust me the micro transactions will become more egregious and obvious as time goes along. Soon anything worth a damn in destiny will be micro transactions. 1) Soon things like (sexy as f) weapon shaders will be released as micro transactions exclusively 2) Special event shaders,emotes, sparrows will be Micro transactions (Such as halloween mask, I WANT A KERMIT MASK GODDAMIT) 3) Voice emotes (connected with exotic emotes...haha trust me this shit will happen ;) 4) Legendary/Exotic armor, weapon,vehicle variants. (dead orbit shader exotic helm version of base game helmet) lets say you have to own that armor first but then can like roll for legendary or exotic shaders with micro transactions. 5) Weapon attachments (LED lights, torches, flames etc etc) 6) Exotic Player emotion emotes ( sad emote generates a cloud over your head with rain and lightning) 7) I'm having way to much fun thinking of ways that bungie will make you throw money at the screen...0_0 8) Ship hangar so u can show of your ships and walk around them 0_0 9) Luxury tower apartment priced at 5.99$. Will allow you and fire team to access tower hotel room. Can be used for mini social events, Shooting Range, Can play music, Allows some form of player mini gambling game with glimmer...ok Ill stop. But seriously im not even a game dev and iv already made you throw money at the screen havent I? It's so insidious, I know you are thinking that i'm being conspiratorial but Bungievision would not be implementing this if it wasn't going to make them massive amounts of money. This game's soul, identity, creativity and even community features will be hidden behind micro transactions. Welcome to the future of AAA gaming, and you know what? Bungie are going to get away with it! Because it's only cosmetic micro-transactions that don't affect the game. :) Oh and it pays for all that free awesome content that your going to get! Well played Bungie and Activision... Well -blam!-ing played. Suddenly Luke Smith doesn't seem like such an asshat anymore? More like a god damn gaming SNOWDEN. HAHA

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  • Bumpfortruth, so glad I quit

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    • The thing is, it's not free. The way overpriced TTK expansion has paid for it. It's going to be stuff that we should have gotten with the $40 price tag.

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      • Had to stop reading as soon as you hit Alex Jones comment. The youtube video of that goon I couldn't watch either 😆

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      • That apartment things sound awesome

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        • They will look at sales and say Wow look this did work what can we do to maximize profits? Then BOOM! Pay to play.

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          • They keep to cosmetic shit. fine. they start selling anything that was originally a drop. even if its motes of light. -blam!- them. im gone. so is alot of others. -blam!- pay to win.

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            • Battlefront fallout the decision here I come

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              • Anybody who thinks destiny was created with the intention of not making money is an idiot The reason [b][i][u]anything[/u][/i][/b] is created is to make money COD, battlefront, Medal of Honor, madden ---> all created to make money That's how it works, why is it evil if bungie does it

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                • Muting people with tin foil hats

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                  • Reply so I can take some points and get all my friends to post about it as well? Hopefully we can get it into their heads that it isn't going to work.

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                    • Level 34 for life guy plz STFU

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                    • bump

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                      • Yeppers. And what is funny is that if you think about it? Those who are saying that if the game goes "Pay to Win" with this that it will just die out. Bungie would apparently NEVER do something like that. Well, Bungie would apparently NEVER do plenty of things and yet each time they prove us wrong in that regard people are just confused or whatever. And of course, people keep failing to realize that Activision calls the shots here when it comes to the business side of things, including this. Call of Duty is the example of what we can expect to see. People used to say the same thing about that franchise too that it would just die out if it ever went Pay to Win. Well guess what, folks? Its even worse than that, its straight up RNG Pay to Win. Its Pay to Win mixed in with Vegas, baby! Was the prediction true? Did the franchise die out like others who were "ok" with micro-transactions originally expected? Nope. Activision doesn't care, they know for a fact people are going to keep throwing money at it because they have spent years cultivating an addicted audience. Gamers generally have an addicted personality. Corporations are fully aware of this, where do you think RNG Loot comes from? Is this inherently wrong? Eh, that's up for debate. However, what IS wrong is when said companies try to use that against Gamers to take advantage of them. At that point it becomes less about creating an award winning experience and more about just trying to bleed people of their money. I spent $60 on the Witcher 3 and got a FULL game with a satisfying experience that had me actually crying at the end. To top it off, CD Projekt RED released a slew of DLC that included more customization options, weapons/armor and even new quests 100% FREE. [b]"We could sell extra content to gamers 'down the road,' but we don't believe in that. We believe patches, fixes and additional content should be provided to gamers free of charge. Only something REALLY big, and something that will not make you feel ripped off, justifies a price tag..."[/b]- [i]Konrad Tomaszkiewicz, Witcher 3 Game Director.[/i] See the difference in mentality?

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                        • ..this is absolutely brilliant! you touched every my thought about future of this game.

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                          • Edited by KrazyM82: 10/13/2015 6:21:43 AM
                            #bumpfortruth Bump...although bungie can't comprehend your message...here's mine. Repost: Bungie is not what they used to be without Joe Staten and Marty O'Donnell and the MANY designers that were there during the halo days. There is no trust because they(bungie) have demonstrated THEY can NOT be trusted time and time again. Bungie has shown that they, on MANY occasions, they either ignore A LOT of good ideas from many people like Malphisto, a whole bunch of others and even Lost Sols, whom have had outstanding ideas...or that they are either incompetent or just unable to implement those ideas. Innovative rather than planned obsolescence or extortion/ponzi scheme/pay wall tactics Right!? https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/157307267/0/0 But yet they can make purple balls glow at the tower and patch loot caves and fix "issues" with posts going missing REAL quick, sometimes within the same day! But yet the BIG issues go unnoticed or not even acknowledged! Issues like dedicated servers and fixing obvious lag with pvp and even pve. Optional matchmaking...don't get me started...upgradeable year 1 gear. Vault space. The loot system. REMOVAL of content for non ttk buyers. Many more issues still. But I just listed the big ones. And through all of this, what has been bungies approach to the issues they have fixed? 1 step forward and 2 steps back. And I'm not talking about Paula Abduls song neither. For every fix they create more issues, like with the increase in vault space. It was nice and should have been implemented since launch...but was instantly nullified with all the gear they made obsolete with ttk. Then again what do they care when they got our money? Previous currencies nullified with the next dlc. What do they care when they got our money? An obvious beta game for $60 to $100 was sold to us but yet they talk of potential with ttk, when it is WAY PAST the potential part. Day 1 should have been the proof! But what do they care when they have our money? HOW was bought by many just before ttk. And now all of HOW, Crota and VOG is pointless. Almost all the exotics we have now...some of them just recently found...less powerful than any green or blue weapon in ttk! But what do they care, they have our money? We ask for optional matchmaking and their response? Remove some matchmaking! Cause they already have our money! Bungie has shown to us that as long as we continue to give them money, they can make any changes they want regardless if we asked for it or not, why? Because we agreed to their terms when we gave them more money. So...it's fairly obvious that no matter how many great ideas are presented to bungie...no matter how many fixes are brought to their attention...they simply don't care because they know that a lot of people are going to throw money at the screen. They have shown their intentions through their actions and in most cases, inaction! The [b][i]ONLY[/i][/b] thing that [b][i]WILL[/i][/b] motivate bungie and activision to change for the better and learn how to treat their customers is a [b][i]BOYCOTT.[/i][/b] I simply refuse to pay $100 for a beta game and then tell them how to make said game better. I refuse to pay them to do THEIR job! Why should we have to pay to help make a game that SHOULD have been made ALREADY? We didn't have to pay to help make Halo or Halo 2 did we? And why should we pay to only have the rug pulled from under our feet with every "update" or dlc? So...until bungie and activision learn how to treat their customers and fix the big issues with the game I will certainly not give them more money...I will instead... [b][i]BOYCOTT BUNGIE AND ACTIVISION[/i][/b]

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                          • I don't know what everyone is fighting about in micro transactions because we don't even know what all they are selling, we still have a couple hours, and as far as we know it's just 18 emotes. So stop your bitching until 2am PST.

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                            • Although I agree with on that the new players should not get stuff we payed for for free and the price was high before the price with house of wolves and dark below was okay it lasted as long as most dlc. But when this is still a longer dlc 4 weeks and I still haven't done all the missions yes I can't do touch of malice until they fixed it but that's a work in progress and yes the sunbreakers is op in pvp but when we can't have everything work right from day one.

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                            • It honestly is a case of get over it I quite frankly don't care It's emotes

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                              • I'm not sure what will happen with DLC/micro transactions in the future. You seem pretty sure, but if they don't sell weapons and armor as micro transactions, will you publicly admit that you were wrong? I can tell you this, in the event that they do end up selling gameplay relevant items for micro transactions, I will be done with Destiny. No long, dramatic forum sign off post, just complete ejection. No spreading negative publicity that ultimately benefits Activision in the end. I will simply refuse speak about, think about, or spend money on the game.

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                              • and the saddestthing is that the only people left playing the game now are thewhales who will bend over and takeit, andbacuseof the conditioning they have already gone through (or their utter lack of a brain) the plebs will THINK that they love it. Just like a crack head, just like an abusded wife, just like a kidnap and torture victim suddenly becoming an Daesh fighter.

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                                • The DLC is not going to be free. The Kotaku article made that up. Bungie said that the profits from the microtransactions will support the live team, which does not work on DLC. You and many others are misinformed. The DLC will still be shitty and expensive.

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                                  • It's funny how Halo 5 introduces micro transactions that effect gameplay.. yet, when bungie introduces purely cosmetic micro transactions it's a riot. Hmm.

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                                    • How about... Time(hours) spent in game + game time with friends + befriending randoms during recruitment + enjoyment in the daily grind + a relatively low cost + enjoyable experience + secrets we are still figuring out - politics and conspiracy theories = a damn good game Destiny offers hundreds of hours to play, maybe not a hundred of different content to go through but enough replay value to keep [i]many[/i] of us playing for hundreds of hours. Even adamant haters were pulled in for a couple hundred hours in the beginning. The funny thing about this game is that if you aren't frequenting these forums specifically you have [i]no idea[/i] any of this is going on. People who don't look for politics simply enjoy it. Hell, the worst feedback I've heard from someone who doesn't spend time rubbing their anger boners all over everything was that the grind to level 20 was too much for them to push on through. And I agree. If it wasn't for my boyfriend telling me that everything opens up at level 20 I might not have seen it through. That was by far my least enjoyable time spent in this game. Like, people in real life don't hate this nearly as much as you guys do. I'm being led to believe that it's the forums themselves that breed this brand of hate and that you all follow each other because it gives you something to do/troll others for. And before any of you mindless haters say it, yes I know you're going to call me: fanboy, desticle, sheep, derogatory blowjob jabs, and whatever other names you want to use. I would prefer logical responses please :)

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                                      • Meh - how dramatic - yawn :0

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                                      • I think your ideas for what they should sell us are awesome and I would Definately buy all of them! You are very creative, great job!

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                                      • if it goes pay to win , game will die n ppl will leave in droves

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