There certainly is cheating in destiny, I've personally dealt with legit lag switchers and i've been DDOS'd out of a trials match ending me with an 8-1 card so I know it happens but honestly most of what is being complained about on the forums right now is not that. The insane lag that is plaguing most of you is actually an issue with bungie's servers and the p2p connection format. Last night I was playing rumble and skirmish (while most of you are playing banner) and the lag was insane, to the point that no one could even pick up heavy ammo from the crates. Kills were not registering, hit detection was on vacation and countless times I would primary fire, then shotgun, then melee someone only to watch them stutter step, teleport, and then kill me or die 5 seconds later, all with full green connection bars. Were the other 5 people lag switching or cheating, no, the servers and connection type suck. Instead of everyone crying about lag switchers and bans, we need to unitedly be demanding dedicated servers and location based ( Trials format) matchmaking, only then will we get a playable crucible and then be able to actually tell who is really cheating. Bump or comment if you agree.