As an opening note, nothing here needs to be rendered obsolete, just specific things needs to be changed to fix current problems with the weapons listed. All of these weapons listed are primarily a major problem with PVP and not so much in PVE. PVE does not apply to any of this list, PVE is hard no matter what. [b]Primary Specials[/b]: Specifically, primary specials should have not ever existed. especially since they are generally better specials than real exotic specials. It's kind of like you can put a helmet in a helmet spot, but you can't put a helmet on as a legging set.There is not much here you can do with out making people mad so this is generally probably something I am going to have to sit through. Even though I own a Universal Remote, it still makes me mad. [b]Vex Mythoclast[/b]: This is a special primary that I was talking about along with the No Land Beyond and the Universal Remote. This weapon specifically needs to have down grading changes to damage per shot or range. In PVP this weapon can cross map and hit with the power of a heavy. [b]Shotguns[/b]: I can't tell you how mad it makes me to see that anyone with a shotgun can one hit a person even five meters to ten meters away without taking any damage or having any problem with it. It takes skill to get a head shot with a sniper playing as a Titan, but with a shotgun it is almost like you can spray and pray and win, like you equip it so that it plays the game and gets the kills for you. I understand that in the real world, bullets hurt and shotguns hurt worse, but since all the maps that are now in the game are so close in proximity, it is almost like it is a shotgunning battle now. My proposed fix is to either give us back the nice maps (that took you developers god knows how many hours to make) or make the weapon so that it has any one of the following: *Tried to use <ul> and or [ul] here, but apparently no one likes ordered lists* Exponential decreasing damage over range Decreased damage per shot on high rate of fire or full auto shotguns [b]Thorn/The Last Word[/b]: Thorn is a great and lovable weapon, but it is ridiculously overpowered in PVP much like almost any other hand cannon including The Last Word. I know that hunters have the secret perk for The Last Word, but it's not fair to the Titans when the Titans secret perk weapon is the nerfed Suros Regime, so basically I'd say cancel the secret perk for PVP. The Exotic hand cannons are a wrecking machine in PVP, and they make it so that no other primary can compare. This makes it so everyone is either reduced to accept loss or use the weapons. No primary should ever take one or two shots to kill players in PVP battle, that destroys the aspect of PVP and a game of weapon variation. My proposed fix for this is to remove secret perks for PVP and make the shot damage equal to five shots from an auto rifle.