This forum website has been plagued by Destiny bashers who can never be content with the game. Now that HoW is just around the corner people are saying that this is the lowest Bungie has stooped. That is complete bullshit. ToO and PoE sound fantastic. No raid means not another cheese filled half assed raid for stockpiling undeserved gear. Bungie listens to our thoughts and delivers, they are improving vastly. Yet those misinformed users still hate on Destiny. I believe that there is a reason behind this. I think that most haters still rant because when Destiny was first released, it wasn't what it was cracked up to be. People took this personally and got mad. They thrived off of whining about the short comings of Destiny. That whining seemed to justify their anger. Now Destiny is filling in those short comings and slowly turning into the game it was meant to be. People are running out of things to complain about so their arguments hold less water and are now almost seen as a troll. They still whine because they still want that feeling of justification, and they will never stop. Comment on any whiner post and say "if you hate this game then stop playing" and they will come up with some confusing dumb excuse if they even answer your suggestion. Give it a try and see what I mean lol.