... At the crota cp on hard. Why don't you use the NLB. I have played with so many different groups this week and I would say that about 98% of you don't do this. I constantly see people unloading their abyss, fang, fatebringer, word etc etc and it's so frustrating. The NLB has 12 rounds, you can fire the NLB at 1 round per second. That's 12 seconds to empty all of your primary which I can personally do between starting the crystal and the game starting. Some may say that you the NLB does not fire that quickly, and you're right it actually doesn't. [b][u]But if you shoot, reload, sprint whilst reading then shoot again,[/u][/b] you will find your NLB has the same fire rate as a black hammer if done correctly. Edit The point of this post was to let people know that you could empty a NLB as fast as a normal sniper if you do the speed reload which I mentioned before. If done correctly, you can switch from your word to the NLB, unload 12 bullets (all of your primary ammo) switch back to your word, equip the ice breaker, all in the time it takes to start the crystal. (Pro tip... Add the corrective measure to your heavy, since it has surplus, it will allow you to pick up 4 heavy per pack even when you switch back to rocket launcher) By using the NLB you waste nobody's time. Not even your own as you don't actually do anything while waiting for the crystal to start. Edit - here is a link to someone using the speed reload Shoot - reload - sprint whilst reloading then shoot again Watch how he does it at the very start of the video http://youtu.be/rhJFFnWrgC8 For all those that say a hand cannon is just as fast... lol